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Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

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Re: Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

#41

Title seems like Facebook bashing but the article is more even keel. Suggest that "Then it gave up" be removed from the post title

That would be editorialising, since that's in the actual article. > Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: I don't mind being downvoted, but I would really like to know why that's the case so I can improve how I contribute to the forum.

I'm with you, seems like the title should've stayed. If the framing was a problem, it should be prefixed by who is making the claim.

Re: Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

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post #10

I dread that even if it were stripped from Facebook tomorrow the damage is done and cat out the bag, another platform would just copy and rise to the top of the pile that is "social" media...

Not if the other platform is decentralized and doesn't rely on advertising money.

But if it was centralized, convenient, had shareholders and an advertising budget to get peoples attention faster than the decentralized one, then they’ll suck up the advertising money.

People are exchanging time for money. They will do this.

Re: Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

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post #40

When people argue against the 'news feed algorithm' they mean anything other than a reverse chronological feed of posts from the people they follow. status updates, and interactions between people/pages you both follow. This article mentions that they turned the news feed off but people were still hiding posts from pages they don't follow, which friends had commented on. These shouldn't appear in a news feed that is…

I have no algorithm again, at least until FB decides to break it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29004489

Sadly, that link is not available on mbasic, the only version this computer can handle.

Re: Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

#45

I don’t remember what Facebook had instead of a news feed in 2008, but I do remember thinking Facebook was so cool then. When messenger came out, it was amazing. It was totally normal then to message random people who you thought were cool and just have a conversation. I would even get random chats from Facebook employees. It just seemed so different then than now. I’m just trying to piece together the evolution of F…

I shudder to think about a system where random people could message me.

On Quora, I just turned off that feature. Almost every single message I got was "hi", from somebody who was trying to either sell me crypto or catfish me.

Maybe there's a period when a new open messaging system opens you up to just fun new people, but when it grows, spammers and scammers will follow. Glad you enjoyed Facebook before everybody got to enjoy Facebook, but most people never saw it like that.

Re: Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

#46
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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can say that explicit curation and intention is the way things "should be" as much as you like, but all the evidence suggests that most people strongly prefer automated curation.

Not all automated curation is built equal and boiling it down to just one thing really confuses things. I absolutely adore YouTube's automated curation since the primary goal there is just to steer me to things I'll find interesting - the ads are present on all content and so YT just wants to keep me on the platform for as long as possible. When it comes to Facebook it always feels like I'm being steered towards topi…

YTs recommendations are infamous for getting people radicalized, into conspiracy theories, and filled with misinformation.

Re: Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not if the other platform is decentralized... Like all of the other decentralized social media platforms that most people just don't care about? I'd argue that social media has become so polarized that, no matter their views, most people will want some sort of centralized body setting rules that act in their (the user's) interests. >... and doesn't rely on advertising money. People have widely adopted social media b…

> centralized body setting rules that act in their (the user's) interests. Not sure it's possible. Only if you (or your friend) are the admin, you will like the rules. > How is such a platform staying online without charging users or using advertiser money? It's much more secure and reliable (long-term) to have a sustainable small server for friends than to rely on a huge anti-user for-profit company. One could also…

A new social media platform taking off through ad revenue is enough of a lottery, let alone through a paid service.

Even if it’s as low as $1 a month, you’re not gonna get average users to join a new social media platform in the name of politics.

People want to connect with their friends, that’s all they ever wanted out of these sites.

Re: Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all automated curation is built equal and boiling it down to just one thing really confuses things. I absolutely adore YouTube's automated curation since the primary goal there is just to steer me to things I'll find interesting - the ads are present on all content and so YT just wants to keep me on the platform for as long as possible. When it comes to Facebook it always feels like I'm being steered towards topi…

YTs recommendations are infamous for getting people radicalized, into conspiracy theories, and filled with misinformation.

YT recommendations are always something I'm at least modestly interested in - even if I wouldn't know to independently search for. I think YT is following the model clearly demanded by current American ethics that suggests that the only thing worse than talking about what a nice guy hitler was is stopping someone else from talking about what a nice guy hitler was.

I do think that at some point YT, FB and everyone else (google even!) will have to reckon with radicalization - but I still think that YT's recommendations are quite a bit more valuable than FB.

Re: Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> centralized body setting rules that act in their (the user's) interests. Not sure it's possible. Only if you (or your friend) are the admin, you will like the rules. > How is such a platform staying online without charging users or using advertiser money? It's much more secure and reliable (long-term) to have a sustainable small server for friends than to rely on a huge anti-user for-profit company. One could also…

A new social media platform taking off through ad revenue is enough of a lottery, let alone through a paid service. Even if it’s as low as $1 a month, you’re not gonna get average users to join a new social media platform in the name of politics. People want to connect with their friends, that’s all they ever wanted out of these sites.

I suggest that only some servers are paid. Others can be run by yourself or your friends. And they can federate. It definitely works with email, even though a large part of the network is from Google. All we need is a federated protocol (which AFAIK is already even required by GDPR).

Re: Facebook removed the news feed algorithm in an experiment

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post #4

Have a chronological time series newsfeed only from friends. Once you have caught up show the recommended / algo posts. + Facebook should allow you to go filter and show posts using a calendar. Like all post from X date to Y date, from this location / friends. It will actually improve usage. Miss the old photo sharing days.

FBPurity is a browser plugin that lets you hide the junk you don't want to see on FB, set the newsfeed to chronological. I have mine set to only show what my friends post, but not the things they like or share or comment on.
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