No, there is no silver bullet. Yes, banning anonymity is dumb idea. Also, opt-in authenticated identity is necessary. It's ridiculous that bots, trolls, and sockpuppets are given the same esteem and protections as real people. To curtail harassment, nerf the outrage machine (algorithmic newsfeeds) and ad revenue biz models.
Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer
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#42Banning anonymous social media accounts = good for authoritarian governments and corporations
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#43There are more people who think abusive behavior is bad than there are abusers who think it's good. If all the people who think it's bad call it out when they see it, avoid people who do it, make a point admonishing people who do it, refuse to accept working with people who do it at work, refuse to socialize with people who do it in social situations, refuse to watch TV shows where it's shown to be funny, refuse to pay to see it at the cinema, and so on then, eventually, it would start to stop.
Literally the only way to stop it is if society as a collective group makes it clear that it's not acceptable.
Sadly this means we're stuck with it.
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#44No, there is no silver bullet. Yes, banning anonymity is dumb idea. Also, opt-in authenticated identity is necessary. It's ridiculous that bots, trolls, and sockpuppets are given the same esteem and protections as real people. To curtail harassment, nerf the outrage machine (algorithmic newsfeeds) and ad revenue biz models.
Agreed. I think any talk of the problems of online anonymity should be focused on bots first and foremost. From my understanding, it's pretty easy to detect like 90% of bot users. Can't we go after those instead? I don't really care that real people online can be mean anonymously, because at the end of the day, it's just one person. But an army of bots? That has a much stronger affect, especially when they all amplify each other's posts and game the algorithms so that they get promoted and seen by more people.
Any talk of the "dangers of online anonymity" that isn't about bots is just a deceptive way of arguing for more online surveillance. This example seems especially egregious, because they're somehow using an MP's murder to push it even though it has literally nothing to do with it.
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#45The article cites the recent murder of politician David Amess as the purpose for revisiting discussions about banning anonymity on social networks. But Amess was stabbed to death by a Somali migrant with ‘religious and ideological motivations’. What does that have to do with social media anonymity?
I had suspected that it was a minority specifically because of the cryptic reporting of the incident, and it turns out you're right, now that a handful of US/international outlets have been willing to provide details.
And this article is part of a pattern of deflection. I watch Al Jazeera and they had the gall to interview three different minority MPs and heavily imply that minorities are being targeted.
This collective demonization of a global minority by western outlets, together with the gaslighting that whites (and especially white christians) aren't being targeted, is not going to end well. If you want to argue that its a deserved comeuppance that's one thing, but the way that these outlets implicitly collude to protect the identity of minority, and only minority attackers, is underhanded and dishonest.
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#46Then they added user accounts and a login. Anonymous posting persisted (the famous Anonymous Coward) but impersonating mostly stopped.
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#47Banning anonymous social media accounts = good for authoritarian governments and corporations
In the case of certain governments, the account owner is likely identifiable near 100% of the time, with not much effort.
Depending on what social media we're talking about, (and what corporations,) there may be corporations assembling pseudonym to identity mappings, too.
Making a law that forbids anonymity does help authoritarians, but it's mostly formalizing what is already an unspoken rule: that you can't truly be anonymous online. Other parties can throw away knowledge of you, like logless VPNs or TOR, but its next to impossible to verify they really do that.
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#48Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer
#49The article cites the recent murder of politician David Amess as the purpose for revisiting discussions about banning anonymity on social networks. But Amess was stabbed to death by a Somali migrant with ‘religious and ideological motivations’. What does that have to do with social media anonymity?