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Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

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Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#41

No, there is no silver bullet. Yes, banning anonymity is dumb idea. Also, opt-in authenticated identity is necessary. It's ridiculous that bots, trolls, and sockpuppets are given the same esteem and protections as real people. To curtail harassment, nerf the outrage machine (algorithmic newsfeeds) and ad revenue biz models.

Depends on the platform. On Reddit for example, I'd rather hear from the bots, trolls and sockpuppets.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#43
There is one simple, easy way to stop abuse (both online and offline): stop accepting when your peers do it.

There are more people who think abusive behavior is bad than there are abusers who think it's good. If all the people who think it's bad call it out when they see it, avoid people who do it, make a point admonishing people who do it, refuse to accept working with people who do it at work, refuse to socialize with people who do it in social situations, refuse to watch TV shows where it's shown to be funny, refuse to pay to see it at the cinema, and so on then, eventually, it would start to stop.

Literally the only way to stop it is if society as a collective group makes it clear that it's not acceptable.

Sadly this means we're stuck with it.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#44

No, there is no silver bullet. Yes, banning anonymity is dumb idea. Also, opt-in authenticated identity is necessary. It's ridiculous that bots, trolls, and sockpuppets are given the same esteem and protections as real people. To curtail harassment, nerf the outrage machine (algorithmic newsfeeds) and ad revenue biz models.

>It's ridiculous that bots, trolls, and sockpuppets are given the same esteem and protections as real people.

Agreed. I think any talk of the problems of online anonymity should be focused on bots first and foremost. From my understanding, it's pretty easy to detect like 90% of bot users. Can't we go after those instead? I don't really care that real people online can be mean anonymously, because at the end of the day, it's just one person. But an army of bots? That has a much stronger affect, especially when they all amplify each other's posts and game the algorithms so that they get promoted and seen by more people.

Any talk of the "dangers of online anonymity" that isn't about bots is just a deceptive way of arguing for more online surveillance. This example seems especially egregious, because they're somehow using an MP's murder to push it even though it has literally nothing to do with it.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#45
post #14

The article cites the recent murder of politician David Amess as the purpose for revisiting discussions about banning anonymity on social networks. But Amess was stabbed to death by a Somali migrant with ‘religious and ideological motivations’. What does that have to do with social media anonymity?

Its offensive to me that if a white guy had stabbed anyone left of center, headlines would gleefully have rushed to announce far right/white supremacist terrorism, even prematurely; but when a white christian politician is targeted by a muslim immigrant, in a fucking church no less, not only do you not see "terrorism" in any headline, the vast majority of outlets fail to even describe the attacker beyond age and sex. Especially British publications.

I had suspected that it was a minority specifically because of the cryptic reporting of the incident, and it turns out you're right, now that a handful of US/international outlets have been willing to provide details.

And this article is part of a pattern of deflection. I watch Al Jazeera and they had the gall to interview three different minority MPs and heavily imply that minorities are being targeted.

This collective demonization of a global minority by western outlets, together with the gaslighting that whites (and especially white christians) aren't being targeted, is not going to end well. If you want to argue that its a deserved comeuppance that's one thing, but the way that these outlets implicitly collude to protect the identity of minority, and only minority attackers, is underhanded and dishonest.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#46
The first social media site I ever used was Slashdot and back then not only did they allow anonymous accounts but you could impersonate people. Mostly that was used to make jokes (like billg commenting on some Linux news).

Then they added user accounts and a login. Anonymous posting persisted (the famous Anonymous Coward) but impersonating mostly stopped.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#47
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Banning anonymous social media accounts = good for authoritarian governments and corporations

"Anonymous" social media accounts can be tied back to a real person already a lot of the time. People are terrible about "doxing" themselves in places where pseudonyms are used. (Usually that's fine, since nobody is really out to get them and the sleuthing takes work.)

In the case of certain governments, the account owner is likely identifiable near 100% of the time, with not much effort.

Depending on what social media we're talking about, (and what corporations,) there may be corporations assembling pseudonym to identity mappings, too.

Making a law that forbids anonymity does help authoritarians, but it's mostly formalizing what is already an unspoken rule: that you can't truly be anonymous online. Other parties can throw away knowledge of you, like logless VPNs or TOR, but its next to impossible to verify they really do that.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#48
The simplest solution here is to require users to present government recognized credentials when signing up for accounts. Users can then create pseudonymous accounts that preserve some notion of anonymity, but when they become abusive the user can then be held accountable in the real world. Any solution here needs to be gated by the courts though, otherwise it would be ripe for abuse in and of itself through doxxing.

Re: Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is not the answer

#49
post #14

The article cites the recent murder of politician David Amess as the purpose for revisiting discussions about banning anonymity on social networks. But Amess was stabbed to death by a Somali migrant with ‘religious and ideological motivations’. What does that have to do with social media anonymity?

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