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Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Have you considered Fedora? I recently moved from Arch to Fedora and I have all the same up to date vanilla packages without having to do any real work.

I tried so many distros. None of them fit the bill for a pro laptop. I don't want to move out of ubuntu based distros, they get too many things right. I'd rather try Elementary, Pop OS, Xubuntu, etc.

Go for it! Those are great choices, you'll do fine.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

As someone whose only experience with linux is servers and Raspberry Pi, can you tell me what's wrong with snaps? I've only used them on a self-hosted NextCloud and my experience with them has been decent, but I see a lot of dislike for them on HN.

I had some issues with one app not reading its config file, and wanted to strace it to see if it finds the config or not. Big surprise, cannot strace snap apps..

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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As someone whose only experience with linux is servers and Raspberry Pi, can you tell me what's wrong with snaps? I've only used them on a self-hosted NextCloud and my experience with them has been decent, but I see a lot of dislike for them on HN.

Background daemon that takes up CPU, proprietary store, slow startup, and automatic updates in the background. Flatpak is much better if you need some sort of sandboxing, or updates outside what your distro can provide.

Yes, snap was what made move off Ubuntu on to PopOS.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Have you considered Fedora? I recently moved from Arch to Fedora and I have all the same up to date vanilla packages without having to do any real work.

I tried so many distros. None of them fit the bill for a pro laptop. I don't want to move out of ubuntu based distros, they get too many things right. I'd rather try Elementary, Pop OS, Xubuntu, etc.

I have heard great things about PopOS but haven't tried it personally. Hopefully you find the right distro for you.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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First and foremost, package recency. If you run stable, which is released as snapshots ala Ubuntu, the packages are ancient. If you run testing, which is a rolling distro ala Arch, they're a lot newer and pretty solid, but security updates lag. If you run unstable, which is also rolling, things can (rarely) break. Additionally, Ubuntu has decided to incorporate non-free software and drivers right into the base produc…

Exactly, Debian has you covered depending on your needs. I run Debian Stable on servers and Debian Sid on my desktop and laptop. Had 2 or 3 non-booting Sid systems over the course of 20 years, none or which weren't solved in 10 minutes after asking for help on IRC. I doubt Ubuntu offers newer packages than my Debian Sid installation. As for drivers and firmware etc as I've mentioned below I've installed a new state o…

> Exactly, Debian has you covered depending on your needs. I run Debian Stable on servers and Debian Sid on my desktop and laptop. Had 2 or 3 non-booting Sid systems over the course of 20 years, none or which weren't solved in 10 minutes after asking for help on IRC.

Oh sure, has Debian testing or unstable resulted in a non-booting system for me in the 15-20 years I've been using it? No. But that's an incredibly low bar to set. Issues absolutely pop up that, while not that catastrophic, remain problematic.

Just recently (like, in the past 2-3 weeks) the move from pipewire 0.3.36 to 0.3.37/38 broke bluetooth audio for me, which is a dealbreaker as I use a headset every single day for work. No idea why, but I had to go pull the previous package versions from /var/cache/apt/archives (thank goodness I didn't run a purge!), manually install them with dpkg, then pin them in my apt policy until the issue is fixed.

Similarly, the wifi drivers that ship with the kernel have periodically broken and worked again across major kernel versions.

These sorts of intermittent surprise issues are far less likely to happen with a snapshot distro due to the stability of the package set and the additional testing those snapshots undergo before being released.

The problem is the Debian snapshot distro is stable which, again, has an ancient package set.

Ubuntu strikes an interesting middle ground, giving you up-to-date packages that are vetted and then the whole distro is snapshotted which minimizes the potential for surprise breakage.

Now, again, I use Debian testing. I'm fine dealing with the intermittent issues that pop up. I know the system well enough to diagnose issues, manually downgrade packages if needed, pull things from sid if I have to, or even build packages by hand when absolutely necessary.

But that certainly isn't for everyone.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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I've been fighting to keep Unity as long as I could, but it's now breaking too often so I accepted my gnome shell fate. It requires 10 plugins, one app, and manually crafted .desktop files to be usable, but ok, it's free software, I'll adapt. I understand the rational to also push for wayland first now, but it breaks my workflow for things like autokey. We do need to move from X11, but once again, something I will ha…

Pop!_OS just published 21.10 beta yesterday so you're in good luck.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/q6xvv0/pop_os_2110_...

Having nothing but great things to say about this distro. Favorite Linux distro I've used.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

As a 20+ years Debian user I've never seen the added value of Ubuntu. Why use a derivative if you can get the real thing?

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Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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I installed debian just a few weeks ago on my brand new desktop. AMD Ryzen 5800x, MSI B550 motherboard, MSI Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti. Everything worked, out of the box, without adding anything magical. Including Ethernet, wifi, Bluetooth and hardware accelerated graphics. Have been buying Nvidia gpu's since forever and their (proprietary) drivers have never let me down. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. Also, more…

Yeah, I've met those kind of comments for 15 years. There is always somebody to say that in those kind of threads. Same as Vi is easy, try Manjaro, Nix, this latest implementation of LISP, that NoSQL db, this DSL, etc. I used to give them the benefit of the doubt, spend some time testing the alternative the person talked about, came out disappointed, and wasted time. Now I just trust numbers. When 100 people like you…

I use Linux distributions since 1995, starting with Slackware 2.0, there is always someone that tells that.

Hence why I mostly run Linux on VMs nowadays, and Android/Linux.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

Is there an alternative source for non-snap Firefox? snapd is the first thing I nuke on fresh installs. I would like to stay with Ubuntu, if possible.

I uninstalled the snap, then did apt install firefox, worked fine. In principle I am all in favor of more sandboxing for my browser, but when I opened FF on the machine I'd upgraded to Impish, it didn't import anything, open tabs, bookmarks, nada. Not what I'd call friendly onboarding...
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