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FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by lcnmrn »

ksec wrote: post #38

You now have to paid FIFA, every single team in the European League, and Champion League for using their name, logos, colour of their shirt. etc etc. Extra money for having big name player faces for marketing on the box or graphics as well as their 3D face modelling appearing in their game. How much of that $60 you are paying actually goes to the game and not some licensing? I am not against licensing fees per se, bu…

We need a street football (soccer) game and procedural generated stadiums, players, teams. OpenAI can contribute a top engine to an open source game.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by criley2 »

_hilro wrote: post #40
criley2 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do you prefer Ivanka or Hunter flavours of corruption? Such a dishonest comparison. One was nepotistically involved in day to day operations of the American government, put into diplomatic situations in an official capacity, even attempted to be named World Bank President. The other is completely divorced from politics and uses his name to sell artwork This kind of false equivalence does great service to the worst-o…

> uses his name to sell artwork Sure, because that's the extent of his corruption.

>Sure, because that's the extent of his corruption.

Definition: Corruption is a form of dishonesty or a criminal offense which is undertaken by a person or an organization which is entrusted with a position of authority, in order to acquire illicit benefits or abuse power for one's private gain

What position of authority has Hunter Biden been entrusted with that he has abused?

What illicit benefits has Hunter Biden gained?

Shame on you for playing this partisan game. Unlike Invanka, who was nepotistically elevated to public service, Hunter has absolutely no role in the American government and thus cannot in any fair sense be corrupt.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Retric wrote: post #25
doikor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No its 250m for FIFA and World Cup. All the leagues/teams come from individual contracts with each league and all the players from a contract with FIFPro (International Federation of Professional Footballers) which they just renewed. Basically FIFA wants a huge amount of money for the name FIFA on the box. Football is not like NFL or NBA where you just make a single contract with the league and you get everything. In…

Putting FIFA on the box is clearly covered by trademark law. I was questioning how much of protection does player statistics have. At least in the US factual information like who’s playing in which team isn’t protected by copyright or trademark.

It's not their stats that have protection, it's their likeness and names that require a license to use. Several games in the past have featured real rosters with fake names to get around this.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by Retric »

Someone wrote: post #34
Retric wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure player names and statistics are actually protected though. So it’s more 250m/year to get access to branding like team logos, FIFA on the box, etc.

Player names are trademarked the same way Louis Vuitton is trademarked as a brand. For famous players, that may even mean they can introduce brand names that otherwise would be ruled confusing. You can’t start selling Louis Vuiton bags, but Messi clothing and shoes won a legal battle against the older Massi brand ( https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54193973 )

Trademark protects from confusion in the marketplace not all use. Pepsi can’t successfully sue CNN because someone being interviewed was drinking a soda.

That said, using the names would definitely get you sued but at 250m/year a court case could be worth it.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by mbg721 »

lcnmrn wrote: post #41
ksec wrote: post #38

You now have to paid FIFA, every single team in the European League, and Champion League for using their name, logos, colour of their shirt. etc etc. Extra money for having big name player faces for marketing on the box or graphics as well as their 3D face modelling appearing in their game. How much of that $60 you are paying actually goes to the game and not some licensing? I am not against licensing fees per se, bu…

We need a street football (soccer) game and procedural generated stadiums, players, teams. OpenAI can contribute a top engine to an open source game.

I mean, those must exist. The reason EA dominates the market is part network effect and name-recognition, but mostly that they've developed really good sports games, and even with all the aggravating nonsense piled on top, nobody has really challenged them on the second part.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by dejw »

djmips wrote: post #15
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the only value proposition of the game, as compared to competition, is to have real team and player names and their real up-to-date stats, then it's only fair to pay properly for that business advantage. 250M per year seems fair to me. If they don't want to, I'm sure there'll be another company willing to pay that amount for their game can be called “FIFA 2022”. AFAIK, oil companies also has to pay for the right t…

Sounds more like extortion. EAC built this franchise from the ground up since 1993 and FIFA had nothing to do with it other than four letters.

and now EA is milking teenagers with builtin gambling mechanics. there's always a bigger fish and in this case I am happy to see that. Didn't FIFA also have an exclusive contract which prevented PES (Pro Evolution Soccer) from acquiring licenses for team names?

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by TheCondor »

vultour wrote: post #2

Sales of games like this always amazed me. It seems like every year somebody tweaks a yaml config with the player details and hits build - voilà brand new game is out, time to shell out another $60.

Do they pull more from that than they would a pure subscription model? $10 a month and it continuously updates stats, adds new players, etc..

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Post by kubafu »

Slightly off topic: Sensible World of Soccer 96/97 and earlier ones had all real player names and those nice pixelated player pictures which quite accurately resembled players' real-life look.

Then (?) Sensible Soccer '98 came out and suddenly there were no real players names anymore, not sure about the pictures though.

Does anyone know if it was due to a copyright claim from FIFA?

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by periheli0n »

FIFA wants a piece of the cake. A symptom of the game industry growing immensely during the last couple of years.

Another symptom is the Epic vs. Apple conflict. As the amounts of money made in the sector grow almost without bounds, so does the aggressiveness of the players.

Today‘s game industry is the 20th century‘s movie industry.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by fennecfoxen »

criley2 wrote: post #33
harry8 wrote: post #3

Such a good opportunity for EA to mount an Anti-FIFA corruption campaign in game. Mess with some trade rules. Images of Sep Blatter bathing in the rain of cash at the press conference. Force players to choose between FI-FI-FA legacy league and the new hotness. FIFA are corrupt from top to bottom. EA have a direct channel to a huge slab of their market to tear the FIFA politicians with their snouts in the trough a new…

>Do you prefer Ivanka or Hunter flavours of corruption? Such a dishonest comparison. One was nepotistically involved in day to day operations of the American government, put into diplomatic situations in an official capacity, even attempted to be named World Bank President. The other is completely divorced from politics and uses his name to sell artwork This kind of false equivalence does great service to the worst-o…

> used to sell artwork

Yes, and only artwork, definitely not influence. The person responsible for anticorruption efforts, and rooting out any sophisticated, foreign disruptive agents’ access to the White House, by rejecting “abnormal” bids, is a New York art dealer named Georges Bergès. He seems reputable enough, right?

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