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SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

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Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

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And in which World exactly do "the poor" drive SUVs?

Worse than that, poor people's bus or bike journeys end up being impeded by road hogging SUV's and other single occupancy vehicles.

Isn't it a illusion that poor people bike so much? I mean one of the most efficient indicators of real estate price is travel time to and from a city center.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

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Meanwhile the German city Tübingen is raising the parking fee for SUVs by 6 times and other cities are thinking about this as well. They are too big for those cities. https://www.rtl.de/cms/tuebingen-parkgebuehren-fuer-suv-fahr...

Great. The rich can park while the poor cannot afford.

Poor people have fewer cars, so they tend to benefit from less car-centric legislation. But anyway, even the new, higher costs are minuscule, at most 180€/year.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#43
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>New ways of wasting energy in maximum comfort, all around. "Over the course of 267 miles (430 km) and 8 hours, the car used 2.6 miles/kWh (23.7 kWh/100 km), bearing in mind that those miles were all driven in Germany and include running at the car's top speed of 140 mph (225 km) on derestricted autobahns." ie. around 100 mpg. It is not even close to "waste", it is saving the planet in maximum comfort.

> It is not even close to "waste", it is saving the planet in maximum comfort. It is 100 % waste and you don't "save" the planet. Saving the planet = no car. Yeah, an EV is less wasteful than an ICE. Just don't think you save the planet .

that is a fallacy. Passenger vehicles are responsible for 10% of global emissions - so whether to drop it 4x (100mpg instead of 25mpg) to 2.5% or drop it to 0% wouldn't matter much. And using renewables for electricity we basically drop emissions to the rounding error around 0.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

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I’ve noticed this recently in my driving. As an experiment, I lowered my highway speed from 75mph to 65mph for a couple weeks, and my gas mileage went from about 26mpg to 34mpg. Car is epa rated for 33. An enormous improvement in efficiency - that experiment has totally changed my driving habits. Knowing that, I can’t believe that I’m basically the slowest car on the road now (going 65, which is the speed limit!). Cr…

You can get similar fuel savings by following a big vehicle like a truck. Even at a safe following distance, the already moving air behind a truck lowers your effective speed by 20mph or so, saving 25-50% of the fuel bill. Trucks that have very little ground clearance (eg a big mudguard across the back) work best. In the extreme case, in an EV, you can end a journey with more battery than you started with if you foll…

How would you gain energy in that situation? Surely the EV is still expending some energy? The only way that would work is if you were going down hill.

The effect of drafting though is incredible. If you're ever able to get behind a big truck on a bike, it basically becomes effortless to get up to 30mph and stay there. It's quite a thrill (just make sure you have an escape route)

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#45

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SUVs are already mainstream in India. In 2020, SUVs accounted for 29% of all car sales and suffered the least hit from covid sales decline.

That's because most of those sales are from institutional/corporate customers, not households.

Source?

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#46
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Also, people in the EV conversion world tended to think that weight was the killer of efficiency. They later found out by experience that weight was much less important than wind resistance with the conclusion that speed is mostly killing your efficiency (along with shape of the car).

I’ve noticed this recently in my driving. As an experiment, I lowered my highway speed from 75mph to 65mph for a couple weeks, and my gas mileage went from about 26mpg to 34mpg. Car is epa rated for 33. An enormous improvement in efficiency - that experiment has totally changed my driving habits. Knowing that, I can’t believe that I’m basically the slowest car on the road now (going 65, which is the speed limit!). Cr…

As an emergency response to the 1973 oil crisis, on November 26, 1973, President Richard Nixon proposed a national 50 mph (80 km/h) speed limit for passenger vehicles and a 55 mph (90 km/h) speed limit for trucks and buses

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#47
post #11

Meanwhile the German city Tübingen is raising the parking fee for SUVs by 6 times and other cities are thinking about this as well. They are too big for those cities. https://www.rtl.de/cms/tuebingen-parkgebuehren-fuer-suv-fahr...

I am confused on why some people don't get that SUV's are a preference because they do bring some benefits (namely more space, a bit higher guard (especially useful on shitty roads), and that the alternative aka MCV's / monovolume are just dead and were never a lot more drag efficient. Does it suck to drive a SUV in a city ? Mostly yes, but is it better to tax people based on the car size ? Won't this just make some…

I guess if they can afford an SUV, they can afford two cars.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#48
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That’s the point. It’s the point of so many things. If you can’t pay to offset the problem you impose on someone, you sometimes can’t impose on them. That’s the idea.

What I meant is, do you really think the rich people will care? Will those people really not drive their SUV to the city?

They wont care, but their money can offset the harm done by their carelessness.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

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Meanwhile the German city Tübingen is raising the parking fee for SUVs by 6 times and other cities are thinking about this as well. They are too big for those cities. https://www.rtl.de/cms/tuebingen-parkgebuehren-fuer-suv-fahr...

Great. The rich can park while the poor cannot afford.

It says in the article that residential parking permits are only half the price for poorer people.

Re: SUVs are offsetting EV car gains

#50
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What about the EVs that can be classified as SUV? In Norway this is some of the most popular EVs..

These are much more expensive than your regular EV you pay extra for EV + EV being SUV in Ireland those start at prices between 70k-100k and something like Renault Zoe or Tesla non suv cost below 55k. In most of Europe at this stage EV is something upper middle class buys to show off that they can afford going into this new trend, middle and lower class still can’t even afford entry model EV for 20-30k and will conti…

The Volkswagen ID.4 is an electric SUV and it starts at €34,436 (including EV grants): https://www.volkswagen.ie/en/new-cars/ID4.html

The Skoda Enyaq starts at €38,593: https://www.skoda.ie/models/enyaq-iv/enyaq-iv

The Audi Q4 e-tron starts at €49,550: https://www.audi.ie/ie/web/en/models/q4-e-tron/q4-e-tron.htm...

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