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Re: Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Post by FredPret »

chrsig wrote: post #5
warent wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my perspective, in American culture very few people are mature enough to handle discussing income without feeling a hugely inflated ego or completely inferior to their peers. (Maybe true elsewhere but I can't speak to those places!) The reason it's kept secret is because people can't help but turn it into the proverbial dick measuring or whatever is a more polite way of putting it. As for the American Dream, it…

I don't think it's really fair to reduce it to dick measuring when there's just a ridiculously enormous class divide.

The dicks will mostly be compared within classes, if at all. It’s not going to be decamillionaires and thousandaires comparing notes on the golf course.

Re: Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Post by jimmygrapes »

errantspark wrote: post #27
mywittyname wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

I can imagine a society that doesn't value privacy functioning much better than ours if the lack of privacy is somehow thoroughly universalized. Secrets allow for concentration of power, something we should avoid. That being said I'm well aware of how load bearing "somehow thoroughly universalized" is in my statement. Perhaps it's only possible in a culture that truly rejects secret keeping as deeply harmful from an…

> Secrets allow for concentration of power, something we should avoid.

Why should we avoid it? Oh, I know a few arguments and they're compelling in abstract but are inevitably just arguments towards a reshuffling of who or what has power. Power over another, however you want to define it, is inherent in hierarchical structures, and I am sorry to say but hierarchies - that is, rankings of entities - are one of the most fundamental aspects of all known existence. How many electrons do you have?

I get where you're coming from. We should avoid concentration of power in human societies because this always (at least so far) leads to abuse of that power.

However, reality exists.

Re: Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Post by Ekaros »

willcipriano wrote: post #3
janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

I always heard that salary data was available in Norway but high end streamers are probably running these funds through a corporation. Does Norway have essentially open books for firms?

For Finland capital income is included in public data. As such doesn't really matter if it is paid as dividends or wage. Ofc, if you hold it in it is bit more complicated, but even then some data can be gotten.

Re: Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Post by agumonkey »

yellow_lead wrote: post #38

The torrent is here if anyone wants to take a peek (for research / meta data purposes only of course) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:N5BLZ6XECNEHHARHJOVQAS4W7TWRXCSI&dn=twitch-leaks-part-one&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce

I wish I could get a sneak peak of their code, not the whole dataset. For sweng curiosity sake.

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Post by stzsch »

0xy wrote: post #6
janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

The UK forces private companies to share some high level financial information publicly on Companies House. As a non-UK company, I can spy on my UK competitors' finances while they cannot spy on mine. Insanity. And given how the average person experiences jealousy, I wouldn't want salaries to be public. I already feel uncomfortable when family members ask me how much money I make, because I know they'd only use it to…

> This kind of comparison is toxic in society.

I would imagine that the change, especially overnight, would be quite toxic. But given enough time for the population to adapt, maybe it wouldn't be a problem anymore? Just like it (supposedly) isn't in Norway?

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Post by simonw »

celticninja wrote: post #15
mywittyname wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

Imagine not trusting your family with knowing how much you earn.

It's so easy to imagine this. Have you spent any time browsing https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/ ? - and that's just the first example that jumps to mind.

https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/ is even more relevant than that.

Re: Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Post by willcipriano »

celticninja wrote: post #15
mywittyname wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

Imagine not trusting your family with knowing how much you earn.

Uncle celticninja: "But celticninja you make so much money and I'm on a fixed income, can't you just loan me some, remember when I got you that hot wheel when you were six?"

I told my dad what I made, he messed up and told my mom, my mom told her brother and now this guy I haven't seen in a couple of decades is begging me for money.

He showed up at my house once to beg and then got mad because he had spent the last of his money on gas to drive to my house to ask for money.

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Post by FredPret »

Ekaros wrote: post #40
FredPret wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scandinavia, while not exactly a nightmare, seems like the opposite of the American dream to me. In Scandinavia, you have the radical lack of privacy you just mentioned as a feature (!!!) as well as eye-watering taxes. Now, in the States, the government spies on you, but at least they don’t publish their findings.

On other hand we have other sorts of privacy. Like secrecy of correspondence meaning that for example my employer can't look at my mail without extremely good reason. Even with my employer my emails are mine and only mine.

While that is a very good thing, I'll take lower taxes over that any day. Every 1% of taxes you save compounds mightily over a lifetime's stock market investing.

Full disclosure: I live in neither Scandinavia nor the States.

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Post by coliveira »

agumonkey wrote: post #39
mywittyname wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

I don't live in Norway but OP didn't seem to suffer from second order consequences of divulging income. Maybe culture can be a factor here too.

Norway has a very flat distribution of income. This means that most people don't need to worry about others knowing their income, it is more or less the same for everyone.

I imagine that this policy also helps with keeping the flat distribution, since people will know when someone is making more money and will request similar salary increases.

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Post by jordigh »

mywittyname wrote: post #7
janandonly wrote: post #2

I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

> If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, then anonymized pay based on role / job title should suffice.

It does not suffice.

We mostly do have this data in the US and wealth inequality keeps deepening.

The only purpose of the salary taboo is to keep rich people rich.

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