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Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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The page also says: > I know from my own testing that Google search results still included AMP links for the first week after iOS 15 was released on September 20

I guess the revised explanation would be "random regression in ios 15 safari that affected AMP"

Why is this a regression in iOS? Changing the user-agent string is not a regression.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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> If Apollo is the interface, what is Reddit besides a JSON document store and object storage for media? A community, or if you prefer, a community of communities. That part is essential.

Yeah, agree. I'm arguing for disintermediation of the community from the corporate entity attempting to squeeze as much value out of the community as possible (and in the process, being a hot potato from one company to the next). Communities deserve better (Stackoverflow and Wikipedia come to mind), and the technology primitives are stupid simple. Perhaps I've been reading too much Neal Stephenson and Cory Doctorow l…

Philosophically? Sure. But with how the masses act and behave and take interest in, getting the critical mass of non-technical people you would need to make it work is a massive hurdle.

Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Reddit will skate by with inertia for years to come no matter how suicidally they behave because they have mass appeal. Losing one audience doesn’t matter because they have millions of other audiences. You start up a social network that interests mainly technical people and the journalists that report on them, well it’s just not going to thrive because after the honeymoon period is over, the network just starts to look stale and slowly die off. E.g. Google+.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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This. I think I would actually give up on reddit without apollo, the official app and website are user-hostile. I wonder if they will tighten the API up and eventually kill third-party clients.

They should just hire the guy. I wouldn’t mind Apollo with ads from Reddit official.

The official Reddit iOS app is already the result of Reddit buying an existing, excellent third-party app (Alien Blue), which they proceeded to ruin.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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I guess the revised explanation would be "random regression in ios 15 safari that affected AMP"

Why is this a regression in iOS? Changing the user-agent string is not a regression.

As in, a change/feature added to the rendering/javascript engine caused an regression.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Google launched "Core Web Vitals" a while back as their "open" alternative to the requirement to provide AMP versions of pages. It's possible they're running some kind of A/B test with AMP vs CWV calculation and filtering based on iOS version. Maybe an odd thing to do but IMO no less odd than giving up on AMP in iOS 15 because of browser extensions, I can't believe the number of people using AMP-blocking extensions i…

>I can't believe the number of people using AMP-blocking extensions is that high yet. by what metric? I think it being high on the app charts is more indicative of that category being deserted and therefore easy to be on top, than everybody and their mom downloading it. A few days ago I saw a post mentioning that Amplosion was #1 on the "utilities" chart. Now it's #27, and the top apps are 1) a proxy manager 2) calcu…

Right: I mean in absolute numbers of Safari users. Even something at the #1 spot in Utilities for a few days is (in my assumption) still barely a dent.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The page also says: > I know from my own testing that Google search results still included AMP links for the first week after iOS 15 was released on September 20

I guess the revised explanation would be "random regression in ios 15 safari that affected AMP"

Perhaps, although "it was just random" is arguably an even worse explanation.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Seems unlikely. How many people have installed AMP blockers specifically on ios15? How many people have installed AMP blockers on any other platform that's not being UA-sniffed?

Amplosion got a big boost by being made by the same guy who did Apollo (pretty much the de facto Reddit client on iOS). I don't get bothered by AMP pages that much, but I paid the few euros for Amplosion just to support Christian's work and give a middle finger to Google's attempts to take over the web.

I actually generally like AMP, but I paid for the extension because AMP breaks native app URL listeners, so from an AMP page it's impossible to open the page in the native iOS app e.g. YouTube or Reddit. (FYI, free AMP blocker extensions quickly emerged after that paid one went viral.)

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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I think that Apple Relay is a more probable cause

How does apple relay affect AMP?

Apple uses their own IP address when accessing sites to protect privacy: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212614

Maybe the majority of iOS 15 traffic coming from Apple servers instead of individuals is causing trouble with Google's current AMP implementation somehow, so they check the iOS 15 user agent and disable it?

IMO more likely Google just has a user agent whitelist or regex that misses iOS 15 and AMP was just showing up initially while Apple was sending an old user agent during the iOS 15 betas or something.

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