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YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by solarkraft »

I’ve been archiving some content before, but recent occurrences keep strengthening my belief that there needs to be a collaborative archive.

A single party can’t archive everything they may ever look for, often enough you don’t even know what it may be (and when you do it’s too late).

Are there any projects like this? I imagine a decentralization through something like torrents or IPFS (with the caveat that different encodings of the same video will of course have different hashes).

Is such a project already a thing? Are other people interested in doing this?

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by dylan604 »

plainnoodles wrote: post #7

This isn't a great specific example (it's "just" a meme and not even a particularly culturally significant one in the grand scheme of things), but in general this is why projects like youtube-dl are important. It might not be glamorous, and it might be a little stupid, but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store…

> Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store all the video content we produce,

If you are producing videos at such a rate that you as the producer cannot actually save the content, then maybe you're doing it wrong.

If you are producing content for the exclusive use/distribution by a private company that is known to have draconian automated decision making processes, you have to expect that you will one day run afoul of those decisions.

The majority of content produced in mass quantity is also content that is such banal quality that it deserves to be lost to the ether.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by knicholes »

DelightOne wrote: post #36
mensetmanusman wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also lost access to a most beautiful poetry recitation from an older fellow who has passed. In hindsight, I wish I was more active in saving videos.

It should be automatic.

Can't it be? Like at the router level, maybe?

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by revolvingocelot »

BostonFern wrote: post #32
darkwater wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The 14 years it was up doesn't mean YouTube reviewed it previously and decided to keep it. You cannot possibly know, unless you work on YT moderation in Google. Also, moderation rules might vary over the years, so it might have even been checked once per year and survived for 14 years, til now. The real issue here is that nobody outside an internal Google team has voted on these policies.

Isn't the real issue that no one knows how they work?

As you can see all over this thread, tons of HNers are willing to blithely assert how they work, and isn't that enough?

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by shadowgovt »

LamdbaMamba wrote: post #17

Google would destroy "Liberty Leading the People" for depicting violent content if they could. What's the line here? A scripted video depicting one friend punching another gets taken down, but MMA fights, movie scenes of executions, and Jackass clips stay up? It's dangerous how much of our culture is in the hands of private companies who can restrict or deny your ability to view that piece of culture. They do so on a…

"Content featuring anything listed above where the viewer is not given enough context to understand that the footage is dramatized or fictional" would be my guess as to the specific stanza of the violent/graphic content service term this video trips over.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by dotancohen »

plainnoodles wrote: post #7

This isn't a great specific example (it's "just" a meme and not even a particularly culturally significant one in the grand scheme of things), but in general this is why projects like youtube-dl are important. It might not be glamorous, and it might be a little stupid, but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store…

  > It's a shame a torrenting-based youtube wouldn't
  > really work for various reasons, both legal and social.
https://joinpeertube.org/

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by treesknees »

hammock wrote: post #6

The fact that people continue to be surprised by actions like this, betrays a lack of understanding of how content moderation works, and a willful lack of education on the part of YouTube. This video was taken down because 2 or 3 people reported it in short succession. Those reports flagged it for review by a human moderator, who removed it. If it had never been reported, it would have stayed up. If no one ever repor…

You really think this video was only reported recently by 2 or 3 people after 14 years? People will report and dislike videos all the time just to be trolls. I don't have any sources to link to on this outside of my experience moderating content on much smaller subreddits/forums, but I'm willing to extrapolate and imagine a video that's been up for 14 years with millions of views has received its fair share of reports.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by shadowgovt »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #24
aluminussoma wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't quit! I'd rather have good, honest people working at Google, instead of them quitting Google. What would Google be like if no good people worked there?

Without good people, Google will be driven into the ground faster, and all of us can move on sooner.

That's a very optimistic view of what happens to a company with a lot of technical power and solid procedure for maintaining it in place if all the people with a conscience leave.

You are assuming a correlation between technical competency and moral competency that I've never observed history guarantees.

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