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Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by jaywalk »

mrtksn wrote: post #39

It's NOT an iOS 15 feature. I have an iPhone without a SIM card that I use as a test device and it happen that yesterday I left it in my backpack, together with an AirTag in the car. Shortly after I walked off, I got the AirTag notification as expected(the left behind notification). What I did not expect though, was to see the test iPhone also having an up to date location in the Find My app. That iPhone has no netwo…

It doesn't connect to your iPhone's hot spot, but your daily iPhone is able to detect the other iPhone's presence just like it detects AirTags and logs that info.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by jaywalk »

todd3834 wrote: post #22

This article has me wondering if I’ve ever turned my phone off besides restarting it or the battery died. I’m sure I have but I bet it is very uncommon. That being said, if it were off and lost, this feature would be amazing. Apple is very transparent about it and also allows you to disable it as far as I remember. The OP has a follow up tweet that iOS 15 made their phone hot during charging. Kind of feels like they…

> trying a little too hard to capture some Apple outrage attention.

Exactly the vibe I got.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by rjh29 »

todd3834 wrote: post #22

This article has me wondering if I’ve ever turned my phone off besides restarting it or the battery died. I’m sure I have but I bet it is very uncommon. That being said, if it were off and lost, this feature would be amazing. Apple is very transparent about it and also allows you to disable it as far as I remember. The OP has a follow up tweet that iOS 15 made their phone hot during charging. Kind of feels like they…

There is an obvious trend on HN turning against Apple since the image hash stuff. Search 'Apple' in the last month and you'll see stories about Apple screwing over blind people, copying other people's ideas, screwing over employees, removing apps from the app store, disabling FaceID if you try to change the screen etc.

From my POV (a non-Apple user) they have not changed, they have always been pretty anti-consumer. But even I can see that most of these stories have a clear agenda and are exaggerated to capture the current anti-Apple outrage sentiment. That kind of discussion doesn't do anyone any favours.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by pfranz »

krageon wrote: post #3
AndrewStephens wrote: post #2

Umm, isn’t this, like maybe, a good thing? If I want my very expensive iPhone found, I want it found whether it is on or off. If people are worried about being tracked maybe they should carry around a device that is always broadcasting radio signals to third party towers.

Maybe you don't want to be tracked sometimes, and you expect turning off your device to turn it off.

I've found iPhones way too fickle to trust them to stay off. If you plug in a charger or tap the power button they power back on. If you don't want to be tracked turn off your phone and put it in a faraday bag.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by Someone »

NineStarPoint wrote: post #26
vorpalhex wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you're an activist attending a protest.

It’s almost strictly better to leave your phone home in that sort of circumstance though. Your phone looks like you stayed home all day, and you don’t need to worry about things like whether any information gets sent out despite being “off”.

I think you would have to leave your phone home a lot more often than on days you don’t want to be nailed to where you are.

Imagine a case where evidence puts you near a protest or crime scene while your phone is home. That’s coincidence, but if your phone also was home only at the three days three similar events happened, it becomes circumstantial evidence.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by mrtksn »

jaywalk wrote: post #41
mrtksn wrote: post #39

It's NOT an iOS 15 feature. I have an iPhone without a SIM card that I use as a test device and it happen that yesterday I left it in my backpack, together with an AirTag in the car. Shortly after I walked off, I got the AirTag notification as expected(the left behind notification). What I did not expect though, was to see the test iPhone also having an up to date location in the Find My app. That iPhone has no netwo…

It doesn't connect to your iPhone's hot spot, but your daily iPhone is able to detect the other iPhone's presence just like it detects AirTags and logs that info.

Yes but apparently other iPhones can also detect it and send the location just like with the AirTag even if the iPhone is turned off. That was a surprise.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by hungryforcodes »

chewmieser wrote: post #8

Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…

Wow, first I've heard of it. Seems to be enabled by default too -- I think users definitely are not "clear" about it.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Post by CountDrewku »

lucideer wrote: post #5
krageon wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you don't want to be tracked sometimes, and you expect turning off your device to turn it off.

Exactly. For example, when you're a phone thief.

Ah the ol' innocent people have nothing to hide argument. Been used by bad faith actors for centuries.
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