Live data from Hacker News

Return of the Mac (2005)

paulgraham.com

41–50 of 117 posts

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#41
post #5

[2] Y Combinator is (we hope) visited mostly by hackers. The proportions of OSes are: Windows 66.4%, Macintosh 18.8%, Linux 11.4%, and FreeBSD 1.5%. The Mac number is a big change from what it would have been five years ago. I'm interested to know what the proportions of OSes are today.

me too.

I just spent the weekend at a hack day (http://leedshack.com) in the UK, with over 100 hackers. I barely saw any windows machines, almost everyone had a Mac.

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#42
post #5

[2] Y Combinator is (we hope) visited mostly by hackers. The proportions of OSes are: Windows 66.4%, Macintosh 18.8%, Linux 11.4%, and FreeBSD 1.5%. The Mac number is a big change from what it would have been five years ago. I'm interested to know what the proportions of OSes are today.

Results of a HN poll from a few months ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2303726

Total responses: 1539 Linux: 564 (36.65%) Mac: 557 (36.19%) Windows: 365 (23.72%) Other: 53 (3.44%)

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#43
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As for leaving windows, just leave. It doesn't matter where. There's a pain to using windows you just get used to, it's just more of a subtle irritation that comes from using a system where the creators didn't want to make something particularly good. It's literally painful for me to use windows now that I don't do it very often anymore. There are just so many little things that hurt that I just can't do it. I start…

They care so much they bind execute to cmd-down rather than the completely sensible Enter.

after almost 2 years of using os x i only knew that now... always wondered how you could start an app from the keyboard. i never bothered to ask since i'm mostly in iterm and tmux sessions. thanks :)

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#44

OK, someone convince me to go Mac. I've had essentially zero issues with Windows. I do 99% of my development in Linux (access my devbox through VNC). For desktop use, I have absolutely no problems. I work very fast zooming around with keyboard shortcuts. I don't get viruses or bloatware. Everything is calm and familiar. Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. Pas…

> Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. You seem to hit issues because you want to hit them. > Paste is crazy squiggly hash v (or maybe apple v?) The key is called "command". Does "Command V" not make more sense than "Control V"? And free up the Control key for more interesting stuff? > I can't right click You can, unless it's a 4+ years old machine it's just a…

The Finder can be replaced with Pathfinder - the Finder for Hacker News readers...

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#45

OK, someone convince me to go Mac. I've had essentially zero issues with Windows. I do 99% of my development in Linux (access my devbox through VNC). For desktop use, I have absolutely no problems. I work very fast zooming around with keyboard shortcuts. I don't get viruses or bloatware. Everything is calm and familiar. Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. Pas…

If what you want from a Mac is for it to work exactly like Windows, down to the last keyboard shortcut: stick with Windows. You seem perfect for each other.

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#46

OK, someone convince me to go Mac. I've had essentially zero issues with Windows. I do 99% of my development in Linux (access my devbox through VNC). For desktop use, I have absolutely no problems. I work very fast zooming around with keyboard shortcuts. I don't get viruses or bloatware. Everything is calm and familiar. Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. Pas…

[deleted]

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#47
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A sane OS would let me delete a file with the delete key(!).

You use the command key to issue commands and raw keys to type. So: command-delete means it's fast and easy to delete a file without the worry of accidentally losing a file when your cat jumps on the keyboard.

Maybe the OS can put a cork on the end of my fork so I don't accidentally stab myself while I'm eating.

I'm just kidding, it's a superficial annoyance.

I should have the option though, and what's the purpose of a "recycle bin" if not for feline file administration?

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#48
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A sane OS would let me delete a file with the delete key(!).

You use the command key to issue commands and raw keys to type. So: command-delete means it's fast and easy to delete a file without the worry of accidentally losing a file when your cat jumps on the keyboard.

> I should have the option though

No. This is what good software design is. The designer chose this path, offering you the option to change this is what makes software bloated and unmaintainable.

Re: Return of the Mac (2005)

#50

OK, someone convince me to go Mac. I've had essentially zero issues with Windows. I do 99% of my development in Linux (access my devbox through VNC). For desktop use, I have absolutely no problems. I work very fast zooming around with keyboard shortcuts. I don't get viruses or bloatware. Everything is calm and familiar. Every time I get my hands on a Mac, even to simply Google something, I immediately hit issues. Pas…

I switched to mac from windows a couple of months ago. I guess I am still waiting for the magic to happen.

OS X is fine. There are the initial annoyances which I was expecting, like the different hotkeys. Fine, I got over most of those pretty quickly. But there are things that still annoy me. For instance, there seems to be only one hotkey that opens the application menu. On Windows I am used to pressing the alt-key and then the given underlined letter of the menu that I want to open. I have a lot of "secondary" hotkeys memorized this way. In Photoshop for instance, "alt+i, p" is "crop" -- there is no (default) hotkey for crop and now I have to use the mouse.

Not using Lion yet so I couldn't say if the fullscreen mode is going to cure my longing for maximize but the point of that green plus-thing on every window is completely beyond me. The reason I maximize windows is because I want to focus on a single thing, not because I want to see a bit more of content.

I prefer Explorer to Finder. I'm sure this will get better but again it feels like Finder was made for the mouse more than the keyboard, compared to Explorer (mac-gurus, how can I see and copy the path that I am currently browsing?). I also prefer the behavior of alt-tab in Windows of switching between windows rather than apps. The fact that two documents happen to be opened by the same executable seems arbitrary to me and it annoys me that I have to first switch to the app I want and then to the window I want.

There is, I think, a noticeable difference in the way processes and threads are prioritized. I am sure OSX is better at this but it mostly just feels different to me. Processes seem less able to take down the entire system but on the other hand, music playing apps will sometimes lag which seems to never happen on Windows.

All that said, I am still happy. I love the hardware. The air has enough performance for me (even running two simultaneous win7 vm's with visual studio) and I get happy every time I double check my bag to make sure I remembered my laptop because it's so light. And there are definitely upsides to OSX such as Spotlight which feels like your own personal google (with everything including calculator and dictionary) whereas on Windows it feels like all search gets me is the indexer eating up all my cpu.

Post reply on HN