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Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by legrande »

Well .COM has had its day.

There (was?) even a semi-parody site called Domains For the Rest of Us[0] that generates .COM domains that you can use for side projects (or startups?).

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24538758

The new gTLDs are a godsend since all the domain hacks have been largely exhausted. E.G: `del.icio.us`.

I like the new avalanche of gTLDs since it reduces domain squatting, domain hacks, and stops people snapping up short .COMs as if they were some digital gold to be mined.

Not to mention the hassle of having a really obscure ccTLD like .SO and having to battle to get that domain back if it was seized by pirates, yarr

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by burnished »

marcosdumay wrote: post #35
burnished wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue its not censorship. If I don't pick up your call because I don't recognize the number, or my phone is on silent, is that censorship? Lacking an agenda or a message I'd hesitate to call anything censorship. Like, without a censor actually redacting things or controlling the conversation, can it really be called censorship?

It's not censorship if one of the peers on the conversation do it. It's certainly censorship if a monopolistic or oligopolistic platform does it. And there's a lot of middle ground where things get hard,

>>It's certainly censorship if a monopolistic or oligopolistic platform does it

this seems like a good point, I'll have to think on it. For this particular situation I'm having a hard time seeing the argument on the basis that .xyz domains are cheap and get used for lots of attacks as stated in the article, so is it censorship or defense?

I think the question at the heart of my disagreement would be "what speech is being censored?", I don't see a compelling answer so I have a hard time seeing it as censorship at all.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by iconjack »

humanistbot wrote: post #2

> One surprising side effect of having a .xyz domain is that the mere inclusion of .xyz inside of a text message will result in a silent delivery failure for many providers. This is wild to me. Tested it out myself and I couldn't send an SMS with a spot.xyz link to/from Google Voice T-Mobile. And no "failed delivery" notice either, just a silent failure. And yet I still get so many texts that are obviously spam or ph…

It was wild to me too. I have an .xyz domain, which seemed appropriate for a non-commercial math site. I'd try to send links of math experiments to friends and colleagues via SMS, so they could tell me if they worked right on their phones or not. Can't tell you how much confusion and frustration it caused that the links were simply not being delivered, though all the conversation around the links went through just fine. No error was reported on either end. A year or so ago, I did a lot of searching trying to find some explanation of this bizarre behavior, but found literally nothing. It's nice to know I'm not crazy, at least. Is there a published list of what domains are not allowed to go through?

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by kop316 »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #37
kop316 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...whoa, yeah same here. tried "test spot.xyz" then "test spot.com" T-mobile T-Mobile. "test spot.xyz" did not send. Even weirder, I got a confirmmation that it was delivered. It looks like T-Mobile looks for ".xyz" within the SMS and will silent drop the SMS (though it will claim it is delivered). ".xxyz" works, "..xyz" or ".xyzz" does not. "xyz" works, so does ".xy".

> though it will claim it is delivered I thought SMS didn’t have delivery receipts?

They certainly do. In Chatty: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/chatty/-/merge_requests/786 . Some carriers even charge for the service (!!): https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/chatty/-/issues/434

MMS has delivery reports too (I implimented support for it myself for mainline Linux Phones). It even has read reports, but no carrier seems to honor using it (which is why I didn't bother to impliment it).

I'm not sure if Android/iOS gives the user an option for it (which may be the source of confusion).

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by reidjs »

legrande wrote: post #41

Well .COM has had its day. There (was?) even a semi-parody site called Domains For the Rest of Us[0] that generates .COM domains that you can use for side projects (or startups?). [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24538758 The new gTLDs are a godsend since all the domain hacks have been largely exhausted. E.G: `del.icio.us`. I like the new avalanche of gTLDs since it reduces domain squatting, domain hacks, and…

I read a series of blog posts about a guy who would essentially work backwards from a domain name to start a business. E.g. he would buy things like 'weehawkenjobboard.com' then SEO a job listing service for people/businesses in Weehawken NJ. I thought it was a pretty clever strategy.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by soco »

It's sometimes difficult to believe how much misguided logic is put into input validation. Addresses which must have a street and a number, middle names not allowed, valid postal codes not recognized or auto-filling the wrong town, arbitrary maximum length for street names, and I could go on. We programmers (or we product managers?) invest way too much time in nonsense.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by jonny_eh »

legrande wrote: post #41

Well .COM has had its day. There (was?) even a semi-parody site called Domains For the Rest of Us[0] that generates .COM domains that you can use for side projects (or startups?). [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24538758 The new gTLDs are a godsend since all the domain hacks have been largely exhausted. E.G: `del.icio.us`. I like the new avalanche of gTLDs since it reduces domain squatting, domain hacks, and…

> E.G: `del.icio.us`.

Oh, you mean delicious.com?

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by jonny_eh »

maxwell wrote: post #46
plumeria wrote: post #9

What about .app domains?

The .app TLD is owned by Google, requires HTTPS, and I haven't run into any issues in practice. Whereas my corporate VPN blocks all .xyz domains.

Ya, these issues seem to be on a case-by-case basis. If the owner of a TLD is careless, it can get a bad rap and become useless.
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