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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by jabedude »

soco wrote: post #24
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In unequal power situations, guns are mighty useful. A world where no one needs firearms is a nice ideal, but unfortunately we don't live in that world. The police cannot be trusted to show up anywhere in time to defend you, and in fact might shoot you instead of whoever is attacking you anyway. Are many firearm proponents ideologically crazy and/or reckless? Unfortunately Yes. Does this have negative societal conseq…

Somehow I never read news about "rapist shot dead by attacked woman". Are you positive that buying more firearms will make it happen? Because it definitely doesn't look we're there yet.

Have you considered that you don't hear about those defensive uses because your sources of news simply don't report them?

1. https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-tries-to-rape-...

2. https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-mother-of-3-shoots...

3. https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_news/police-woman-sho...

4. https://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/2015/04/17-year-old...

5. https://myfox8.com/news/nc-grandfather-shoots-home-invaders-...

6. https://www.kltv.com/2019/12/05/tyler-police-arrive-scene-fi...

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by AnEro »

itsme-alan wrote: post #5
rubyist5eva wrote: post #4

Guns are the great equalizer. Women don’t have equal rights until they are equally capable of defending themselves.

Guns are not the way to do anything

I thought that too, then I saw LA police slowly drive past a trans woman screaming for help to flag them down as her and her friends were getting mugged, which lead later to assault. There's video evidence since the mugger was on insta live and recording it to get clout, then a friend assaulted another trans woman on as their friends laughed at her. That logic works if you can trust the police to do the bare minimum.

With video evidence, and the assailants live-streaming repeatedly after from their apartments bragging about the assault, trying to hype up their rap career. It took weeks to get the police to do anything about it, where they would tell the women that they had no leads despite the livestreams.

If someone I'm with or myself is allowed to have a gun I prefer it.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by nradov »

soco wrote: post #24
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In unequal power situations, guns are mighty useful. A world where no one needs firearms is a nice ideal, but unfortunately we don't live in that world. The police cannot be trusted to show up anywhere in time to defend you, and in fact might shoot you instead of whoever is attacking you anyway. Are many firearm proponents ideologically crazy and/or reckless? Unfortunately Yes. Does this have negative societal conseq…

Somehow I never read news about "rapist shot dead by attacked woman". Are you positive that buying more firearms will make it happen? Because it definitely doesn't look we're there yet.

In most incidents where people use firearms to protect themselves no shots are fired, just brandishing the weapon is enough. Those incidents don't make the news.

Buy if you're looking for an actual news story, here's one.

https://www.wtol.com/article/news/local/resident-shoots-woul...

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by LinuxBender »

soco wrote: post #24
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In unequal power situations, guns are mighty useful. A world where no one needs firearms is a nice ideal, but unfortunately we don't live in that world. The police cannot be trusted to show up anywhere in time to defend you, and in fact might shoot you instead of whoever is attacking you anyway. Are many firearm proponents ideologically crazy and/or reckless? Unfortunately Yes. Does this have negative societal conseq…

Somehow I never read news about "rapist shot dead by attacked woman". Are you positive that buying more firearms will make it happen? Because it definitely doesn't look we're there yet.

They do exist, but Youtube's algo won't suggest them unless that is something you are already interested in. I find videos almost weekly of store owners and individuals defending themselves. The people that have training and experience with their tools are usually able to successfully fend off the attackers.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by agensaequivocum »

soco wrote: post #24
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In unequal power situations, guns are mighty useful. A world where no one needs firearms is a nice ideal, but unfortunately we don't live in that world. The police cannot be trusted to show up anywhere in time to defend you, and in fact might shoot you instead of whoever is attacking you anyway. Are many firearm proponents ideologically crazy and/or reckless? Unfortunately Yes. Does this have negative societal conseq…

Somehow I never read news about "rapist shot dead by attacked woman". Are you positive that buying more firearms will make it happen? Because it definitely doesn't look we're there yet.

> Kristen McMains, a 25-year-old lawyer in Louisville, Kentucky, first became suspicious that John Ganobcik was stalking her when she traversed the skywalk connecting her office building to the parking garage across the street. She felt her fears were confirmed when she boarded an elevator and the suspicious man followed -- but did not press a button. When the doors opened on the fourth level of the parking garage, she bolted for her car, and Ganobcik sprinted after her.

> Before McMains could get in her car, her attacker caught up, slammed her head, and jabbed at her with an eight-inch rusty serrated knife. He forced her into the passenger seat and said, “We’re going.” Fearing rape and murder, McMains fought viciously to escape, tearing off all 10 of her fingernails in the struggle, but she was unable to escape. Desperate, she told Ganobcik that she had just cashed a check and could offer him money. When she reached for her purse, instead of money, she pulled out the .32 Beretta Tomcat her father had bought for her.

> At first, it failed to fire, but McMains kept pulling the trigger and ultimately she shot Ganobcik in the neck and the buttocks. He fled, and a passerby called 911. Eventually, Ganobcik pled guilty to robbery and attempted kidnapping, receiving a 15-year prison sentence. McMains’ use of force was immediately recognized as justified.

https://ccwsafe.com/blog/the-kristen-mcmains-case-pt3

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by seneca »

itsme-alan wrote: post #5
rubyist5eva wrote: post #4

Guns are the great equalizer. Women don’t have equal rights until they are equally capable of defending themselves.

Guns are not the way to do anything

That is an extremely naive view of the world.

Many places in the world have long response times for police. A home invader is now going to wait patiently for the police to come save you.

Revolutions against tyrannical government are quite difficult for an unarmed population.

Many poor families feed themselves via hunting. I personally grew up in that situation and know many people who still experience it.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by true_religion »

Balero wrote: post #30
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In unequal power situations, guns are mighty useful. A world where no one needs firearms is a nice ideal, but unfortunately we don't live in that world. The police cannot be trusted to show up anywhere in time to defend you, and in fact might shoot you instead of whoever is attacking you anyway. Are many firearm proponents ideologically crazy and/or reckless? Unfortunately Yes. Does this have negative societal conseq…

You need to have the big "I consider America the world" disclaimer at the top. A world where a regular person in their everyday life do not need firearms exists all over the world. Are you the police? are you the military? and if so are you currently working? If not then you do not need a gun. The police all over the world do show up when needed, and the don't shoot people unless it is a complete last resort. In the…

I agree with the OP, but I am not in America. Sadly, my nation definitely wouldn’t be considered a developed country (we are in the 60s or 70s by GDP).

So maybe instead of the OPs thoughts only applying the one country, maybe your thoughts only apply to one continent: Europe?

Now with respect to the article, my sisters are very interested in gun ownership because in their own words “no one needs guns just to protect against robberies”. And I agree, for peace of mind when it comes to bodily safety it’s better to trust yourself instead of being forced to trust crime statistics and police response times.

To correct one fallacy, brandishing a gun is largely unnecessary. If you brandish, you might as well use. However, knowing that you are armed can give you the courage and confidence that puts off attackers. For the most part these guys are opportunistic, and only escalate when they are sure someone is defenseless.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by AustinDev »

AnEro wrote: post #42
itsme-alan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guns are not the way to do anything

I thought that too, then I saw LA police slowly drive past a trans woman screaming for help to flag them down as her and her friends were getting mugged, which lead later to assault. There's video evidence since the mugger was on insta live and recording it to get clout, then a friend assaulted another trans woman on as their friends laughed at her. That logic works if you can trust the police to do the bare minimum.…

Police will never protect you. If you want to be able to defend yourself and your family either be rich enough to have private security or train to use a gun, if you have the right. Many of our offices are guarded by guys with guns and many of the anti-gun advocates you see on TV have bodyguards with guns.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by motohagiography »

I suspect that those women are realizing they can't reasonably rely on men for any kind of protection, as any kind of physical protection is basically illegal, taboo, and effectively bred out of the middle class now anyway, so it makes sense more women would take responsibility themselves.

Gun purchases also correlate to perceptions of changes in social order as well, where there's a "get 'em before they're gone!" cycle in the political climate. This change in numbers is probably not significant compared to other gun purchase bumps in front of political threats for additional restrictions.

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