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Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

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Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

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post #17

Good. Wages must be forced up. You can’t have a modern economy without a capitalized middle class. Real estate is so ludicrous we need quite a bit of inflation to make it reasonable again. The alternative would be a deflationary crash where real estate crashes and obliterates everyone’s home equity, but that is far more painful to virtually everyone.

What prevents landlords from simply soaking up the wage increases then?

They might but it may not push up house prices

Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

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post #11

"We advertised locally for 70 fruit-pickers and we had nine applications. On follow-up, only one was still available... in terms of recruiting locally, we failed completely," says Ali Capper, the owner of Stocks Farm in Suckley and chair of British Apples and Pears. At her orchard, harvest has just started. It must be done quickly and requires many pairs of hands. Ali had to turn to specialist recruitment firms and h…

Lorry drivers getting 40% higher pay: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-... In fact I can see this happening across many industries, and if you are one of those people working minimum wage can only be a good thing? The import of cheap labour does push down the wages of the working class - so the middle/upper classes get to buy cheaper fruit... I believe farmers will have to work with this ne…

It's not like the working class doesn't have to eat. In fact, they will be hit hardest by increasing food prices.

> Indication of some degree of food insecurity was reported by 14.2% of the sample and tended to be higher amongst younger age groups, those on lower incomes, and home renters (as opposed to owners).

https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/advance-article/doi/10.1...

I somewhat doubt that we're talking about upper/middle classes here.

Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

#43
post #2

If you want to create jobs, start a pandemic. Over a hunderd thousand jobs were created for testing, contact tracing and vaccinations in my small European country.

You can create jobs to do anything. E.g. build the Sydney Harbour Bridge. I’d be building solar power stations and nuclear ones to create jobs and reduce carbon emissions longer term.

Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

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Housing is anything from a third to 50% of the average UK earners take home income. Median house price to median income ratios are at historically high levels[0], and rents are now also rising[1]

Either wages need to rise or house prices need to fall.

[0] If you look at somewhere mundane like Essex the median 'affordability ratio', as measured by the Office of National Statistics ( https://tinyurl.com/x5jatcx8 ), was 4.5 in 2000 but is now north of 10. And yes, low interest rates help with monthly affordability but house prices have gone up ~4 fold in the last 20 years while the multiple of your income banks will lend has not, and peoples capacity to save a deposit that is 4x bigger has not.

[1] https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/buytolet/article-9969349...

Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

#45
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the currency you are paid with changes anything (apart from tax evasion) ?

Being paid in fiat means my default income stream is a depreciating one. I'd prefer to be paid in an evolving currency, one emerging out of maximal open-competition. Why? Nothing breeds a better result.

How you get paid doesn’t matter. Convert it all to crypto if you want on payday.

Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

#46
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the currency you are paid with changes anything (apart from tax evasion) ?

Being paid in fiat means my default income stream is a depreciating one. I'd prefer to be paid in an evolving currency, one emerging out of maximal open-competition. Why? Nothing breeds a better result.

And how is your employer going to pay you in the same amount of crypto each month, if that crypto is mooning? The company's revenue stream is still in fiat, which they must use to buy that crypto to give to you, so eventually you will become too expensive to employ.

Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

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There's a huge amount of people holidaying within the UK instead of going abroad. I wonder how many millions (billions?) are being captured in the internal market that would otherwise be spent elsewhere. Definitely part of the fuel driving the economic rebound, lots of people's holiday savings being released locally, and the middle class has generally been increasing their savings pots over the lockdowns.

"lots of people's holiday savings being released locally" True. But the UK have missed out of millions of foreign tourists. https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/tourismindus...

This is a very interesting topic and I feel very hard to make ends of.

For example, you can compare local money (brits spending money in UK) vs foreign money (foreigners coming to UK for holidays) and get a part of the picture. On the other hand, local money are going to be spent in smaller towns, but the foreign money mostly go to large centres, London, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow etc. Then there are the amounts involved, 500gbp in London will buy say, a weekend for a couple, therefore employing not really that many people (cook, bartender, server, cleaner etc). The same amount will buy a weekend on the east coast for quite a few more people, therefore requiring more support personnel (hence, more jobs).

Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

#48
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case the jobs were always done by foreign seasonal workers. I dunno if Brexit has made them more expensive but I'd imagine they are less easily available.

Both more expensive and less available. But the funny thing is in Eastern Europe, where these workers come from and where they presumably are now, there too are record job vacancies and rising wages. So probably something to do with either the pandemic or overheating economy from the cheap money.

Much of Eastern Europe is also undergoing demographic collapse, with total fertility rates under 1.50, and unlike Western Europe they're not getting much in the way of immigrants. Even Syrian refugees etc simply pass through.

Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

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"We advertised locally for 70 fruit-pickers and we had nine applications. On follow-up, only one was still available... in terms of recruiting locally, we failed completely," says Ali Capper, the owner of Stocks Farm in Suckley and chair of British Apples and Pears. At her orchard, harvest has just started. It must be done quickly and requires many pairs of hands. Ali had to turn to specialist recruitment firms and h…

I love how all the elite arguments that immigration doesn't reduce wages (which the working class always thought were complete bullshit) were proved to be complete bullshit during the pandemic-related border closures. Of course, the discussion about what to do about that remains - open borders & keep wages low, or close borders & raise local wages, or close borders & keep wages low & invest in automation - but it's n…

Pretty big red flag was why so many multinational corporations are pro open borders. Corporations rarely take a stance on political issues unless they have a reason to do so.

Re: Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

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post #39
post #11

"We advertised locally for 70 fruit-pickers and we had nine applications. On follow-up, only one was still available... in terms of recruiting locally, we failed completely," says Ali Capper, the owner of Stocks Farm in Suckley and chair of British Apples and Pears. At her orchard, harvest has just started. It must be done quickly and requires many pairs of hands. Ali had to turn to specialist recruitment firms and h…

I love how all the elite arguments that immigration doesn't reduce wages (which the working class always thought were complete bullshit) were proved to be complete bullshit during the pandemic-related border closures. Of course, the discussion about what to do about that remains - open borders & keep wages low, or close borders & raise local wages, or close borders & keep wages low & invest in automation - but it's n…

This is a really good point, unfortunately I don’t think people will learn their lesson. Instead, we will complain about all the wasted food, and we will spend effort on trying to bring back this invisible servant class instead of investing in automation.
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