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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by throwawaylolx » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:28 PM UTC

president wrote: post #18

kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

>Thank you for proving me right fellow HNer.

Well, who do you think does the censoring in the West? Companies that employ people browsing this very forum.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by pphysch » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #33

pphysch wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expressions of white supremacism (N word, etc) & separatism (Jan 6, etc) are heavily suppressed in USA.

Not the same kind of suppression, not by a long stretch. You're still legally entitled to stand on a street corner in the US and shout racial slurs, if that's your thing. You're also legally entitled to assemble and protest there. None of the undertakings that are equivalent to those actions are permitted in China, and will immediately subject you to violence.

Of course USA does not have hate speech laws. But there is considerable extralegal hate speech regulation. Your face will be plastered all over social media and you will get "cancelled" and lose your career, and no "free speech" laws will protect you from that.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by smoyer » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

If China is claiming that Hong Kong citizens are foreign agents, aren't they implicitly admitting that Hong Kong isn't part of China?

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by elihu » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

yuy910616 wrote: post #20

kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Really reminds me of the Taiwan election commercial that compares Taiwan and Hong Kong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A

Note: there's English subtitles available if you enable close captioning.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by SkyMarshal » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

hunterb123 wrote: post #11

psim1 wrote: post #10

I visited this museum in 2016. It was incredible to see this on Chinese soil. Hong Kong had a mere 20 years of being truly Hong Kong, free of the UK and generally free of China. Now it is just more China.

Communist China has only had a mere 100 years compared to it's 5000 year history.

Even less actually. The CCP has existed for 100yrs (since 1921), but didn't control China till 1949. Communist China has only existed for 72yrs.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by warning26 » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:30 PM UTC

president wrote: post #18

kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Or, consider this alternative hypothesis -- people are downvoting you for whining about being downvoted.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by redis_mlc » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:31 PM UTC

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #3

Completely understandable. Why have a museum for an event that never happened? /s

There were two military groups involved in TS.

The first refused to fire on the protesters.

The second was brought in to shoot the protesters.

The general of the second division is celebrated annually by the CCP. You can see that online.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by mensetmanusman » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:31 PM UTC

hunterb123 wrote: post #11

psim1 wrote: post #10

I visited this museum in 2016. It was incredible to see this on Chinese soil. Hong Kong had a mere 20 years of being truly Hong Kong, free of the UK and generally free of China. Now it is just more China.

Communist China has only had a mere 100 years compared to it's 5000 year history.

I try to remind people of this all the time, it’s especially interesting since the leadership is trying to destroy artifacts of their history to fit a very recent narrative.

They only occasionally use bits and pieces to talk about how they are in ancient culture, but they are rapidly becoming a very young culture in a historical sense.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by sremani » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

karaterobot wrote: post #23

jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

Tariffs? We tried a trade war, and it had some economic effect, but no lasting political effect. We probably don't want to get involved in another land war in Asia, if we can avoid it. We could try asking them nicely, but beyond that I feel like it's up to the people of China to decide their own fate.

Hongkong dollar is pegged to USD and US has a special treaty with HK w.r.t Financial transactions.

US can walk out of the treaty but there are downsides to it. It will happen sooner or later.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

The power balance between the US, UK, and China in 1984 was far more in favor of the US and the UK than it is now and they still caved to Chinese demands vis a vis Hong Kong. Given the state of global power balance now, there is not a chance in hell that any of the West will do anything (except maybe words) to support the Hong Kong.