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Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by kaladin-jasnah »

lostlogin wrote: post #33
kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's only one ThinkPad with Ryzen that comes preloaded with Linux last I checked, but I'm hoping more come out soon since I really like ThinkPads. Either way, ThinkPads are worth a look since they play well with Linux, whether they come with Linux preloaded or not. I'm also in the market (to replace my MacBook-esque XPS 13 Developer Edition), so if someone wants to suggest me a (other than ThinkPads) 13-14 inch la…

The moves towards getting Ubuntu onto an M1 appear to be moving along quite nicely if you are patient and Apple hardware is of interest.

Not interested. I'm not patient, and I don't want a laptop with just USB-C ports since I find it extremely limiting.

Plus, x86 and mainstream aarch64 hardware feels like it will always be ahead since it isn't a reverse engineered effort.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by 8note »

bombcar wrote: post #36
lostlogin wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows 10 is a great modern OS I’m an infrequent user of it but have a starkly different opinion. It feels like a layer on top archeology and the number of places you have to go to find settings and controls is unhelpful.

I’m convinced that 80% of the hatred of modern Windows could easily have been avoided if they just made both settings areas have, you know, all settings.

I'm not convinced that's a thing they can do.

Too many settings are in 3p apps

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by thrower123 »

whalesalad wrote: post #14

This is the achilles heel of Microsoft. They will cannibalize a successful part of their business in order to subsidize/bootstrap/launch or even straight-up force the adoption of new service. Every Windows release gets progressively worse when it comes to Microsoft's integrated services and how obtrusive they are. The cherry on top is the fact that Windows 10 Pro is $199 and yet you'll still feel like you are flying…

The LTSC enterprise/MSDN-only versions are almost perfect. All the crap is ripped out, it's fantastic. It's what Windows should be.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by jussij »

meibo wrote: post #17
whalesalad wrote: post #14

This is the achilles heel of Microsoft. They will cannibalize a successful part of their business in order to subsidize/bootstrap/launch or even straight-up force the adoption of new service. Every Windows release gets progressively worse when it comes to Microsoft's integrated services and how obtrusive they are. The cherry on top is the fact that Windows 10 Pro is $199 and yet you'll still feel like you are flying…

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

Is Windows 10 really that good?

It's been some time now, but I still remember the first time I upgraded away from Windows 7 and feeling disappointed.

Since then my hardware is massively more powerful, but I'm still to be convinced my current Windows 10 setup is better than that older Windows 7 setup.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by mkr-hn »

jussij wrote: post #44
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

Is Windows 10 really that good? It's been some time now, but I still remember the first time I upgraded away from Windows 7 and feeling disappointed. Since then my hardware is massively more powerful, but I'm still to be convinced my current Windows 10 setup is better than that older Windows 7 setup.

They launched it at -90/10 and it's up to 7/10.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by XorNot »

dstaley wrote: post #40
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

You do realize this issue was on Windows 11, an unreleased operating system correct? I'm not saying Windows 10 hasn't had its share of critical issues, but I can't remember the last time Microsoft released widely a show-stopping bug to the LTS branch of Windows (that is, the branch you'd be using for "mission-critical" applications).

The existence of ads as a "core" part of the Windows experience speaks otherwise.

Why are there ads in paid software? Why is Microsoft content having a separation of "serious" Windows and consumer Windows, delineated by ads and spyware?

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by denimnerd42 »

whalesalad wrote: post #14

This is the achilles heel of Microsoft. They will cannibalize a successful part of their business in order to subsidize/bootstrap/launch or even straight-up force the adoption of new service. Every Windows release gets progressively worse when it comes to Microsoft's integrated services and how obtrusive they are. The cherry on top is the fact that Windows 10 Pro is $199 and yet you'll still feel like you are flying…

don't even get a hevc license with windows 10 pro..

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by nomel »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #35

To clarify, though, this is just an issue for people who are deliberately getting preview builds (aka beta testers), correct? The article feels pretty click-baity with that critical detail not part of the title.

This is like driving some prototype car and having the brakes go out when your tail light burns out. It's a serious concern because it's not something that should be able to happen, with a sane design. Sure, it's click-baity, but it's also insanity.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by 0x0nyandesu »

thrower123 wrote: post #43
whalesalad wrote: post #14

This is the achilles heel of Microsoft. They will cannibalize a successful part of their business in order to subsidize/bootstrap/launch or even straight-up force the adoption of new service. Every Windows release gets progressively worse when it comes to Microsoft's integrated services and how obtrusive they are. The cherry on top is the fact that Windows 10 Pro is $199 and yet you'll still feel like you are flying…

The LTSC enterprise/MSDN-only versions are almost perfect. All the crap is ripped out, it's fantastic. It's what Windows should be.

It's sort of amazing to me that most people through word of mouth don't already know this. Your work or university has probably already paid for a license dozens of times over.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

jussij wrote: post #44
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

Is Windows 10 really that good? It's been some time now, but I still remember the first time I upgraded away from Windows 7 and feeling disappointed. Since then my hardware is massively more powerful, but I'm still to be convinced my current Windows 10 setup is better than that older Windows 7 setup.

Windows 10 is better at HiDPI support, and worse at performance on low-spec hardware (from what I hear on HN, and my experience with a 5 year old laptop which I don't know if it's my machine and drivers, or Windows 10 itself).
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