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A generation of American men give up on college

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Re: A generation of American men give up on college

#41

This is because in our society, it's more acceptable for men to drop out and get into some skilled trade, like plumbing or climbing telephone poles. People just won't accept that women can also do that. So there's a lot of pressure to make sure your female children go to college and get a degree.

Do you have any evidence for this implausible sounding claim that you're passing off as fact?

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

#42
One guy they profiled is making $20 an hour in Toledo, Ohio. If he's working full time, that's 40k a year.

Zillow has a number of houses for sale in Toledo for under $40k. Like, they need some work, but a real house, under 40k.

I think that guy is doing fine, he should just keep doing exactly what he's doing.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

#44

The thing that struck me right off the bat was that the lead photo of this story is of 18-year-old with a PS5 and pretty sweet setup in his bedroom. I don't have anything deep to add to this, but if you can sit at home in your childhood bedroom indefinitely playing video games and working menial jobs, maybe the allure is there.

That probably works fine until your 30s…

Plus that’s assuming your parents aren’t already old and can afford to feed and house you without seriously harming their own old age plans.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

#45

Unless you're going to be a Professional Engineer or some other licensed individual, or you're getting a free ride, college isn't worth it any more. Going deep into debt for a credential that doesn't have a reasonably large future value is a huge mistake many are pushed into making.

Many positions require a degree to apply for them unless if your working for yourself or a very small business.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

#46

On the other side: A stat shared at my most recent tech companies meeting, they are trying to hire more women. 5000 people applied for a single position and 15 of them were women. This was for a high paying tech job.

One thing I am starting to wonder about is if there is a systematic guidance counseling failing in high schools and colleges. There are so many well paying tech jobs that we just aren't getting that many candidates for. Forget not having a great gender ratio, it is often hard to find a lot of candidates for my openings. If I can't offer sponsorship, it can take awhile There clearly seems to be a lot more knowledge in…

You’ll actually find similar gender disparities in China and India. Maybe not as pronounced as the USA, but it’s still there. Somehow there is something going on throughout the industry that crosses cultural boundaries.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

#47

Unless you're going to be a Professional Engineer or some other licensed individual, or you're getting a free ride, college isn't worth it any more. Going deep into debt for a credential that doesn't have a reasonably large future value is a huge mistake many are pushed into making.

There are plenty of degrees that are worth the effort. This idea that college doesn’t have a justifiable return seems to be pushed by people who already have degrees.

Engineering or bust just isn’t true.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

#48
There’s a lot of anti-intellectualism that floats around in male culture, and a pernicious attitude that you can make it without a degree (despite the reality that a lack of credentials locks you out of most high paying or leadership roles).

Tech likes to pretend credentials don’t matter, but that’s entirely not true.

Not surprising that enrollment is down when too many men think learning things is for nerds.

Source: am an American male

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

#49

Unless you're going to be a Professional Engineer or some other licensed individual, or you're getting a free ride, college isn't worth it any more. Going deep into debt for a credential that doesn't have a reasonably large future value is a huge mistake many are pushed into making.

I’m not sure why you focus on the PE licensure - the vast majority of working engineers do not need this (but do need a college degree).

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

#50

One guy they profiled is making $20 an hour in Toledo, Ohio. If he's working full time, that's 40k a year. Zillow has a number of houses for sale in Toledo for under $40k. Like, they need some work, but a real house, under 40k. I think that guy is doing fine, he should just keep doing exactly what he's doing.

There's this unfortunately prevailing attitude that you aren't successful in America if you aren't living in New York or San Francisco. It's absolutely bonkers. There are many other great places in this country besides those two cities.
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