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Re: Media trust hits new low

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I stopped following corporate news 2 years ago and started paying for independent creators and journalists instead on Substack and Locals. I follow substack, locals and other communities of of Glenn Greenwald, Viva Frei and Robert Barnes, Kim Iverson, Steven Crowder mug club, Jimmy Dore, Matt Taibbi, Aaron Mate, Michael Tracey, Alison Morrow, Sharyl Attkinson.

I'll add Stossel to a list of good-to-follows for independent takes.

Here's a video of him directly asking politicians at a city council meeting about corruption with a local developer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99IeGqIIHj4

They have since approved a project that was competing with the corrupt developer and the corrupt developer is facing federal charges: https://apnews.com/article/f7a7fdb3057548009072601729a2dc2c

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Simple solution - look at all the other western democracies that don't have this problem (I really mean have this problem less, obviously there is going to be biased tabloid rags in every country).

Coincidentally, this seems to align pretty well with countries that don't have a bunch of media outlets owned by the Murdoch empire... curious.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Journalism is essential to Democracy! Trust us, we tell you the truth and you need us. ” -Journalists. Even George Washington had trouble with the press and lamented how often he was maligned and misrepresented in the papers. “He regarded the press as a disuniting, "diabolical" force of falsehoods, sentiments that he expressed in his Farewell Address.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington and the citation…

I'm not sure how you can have a healthy democracy without an informed populace (i.e. journalism).

I'm struggling to draw a link between journalism and the population being informed.

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post #26

Pew research breaks it down sharply from 2016 to 2021 by social media, local news, and national news: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/08/30/partisan-di...

The last 5 years is a very short time horizon, I'd love to see a longer one.

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> How it works: Media outlets can continue to report reliable facts, but that won't turn the trend around on its own. What's needed is for trusted institutions to visibly embrace the news media. This is an extremely weird and disturbing conclusion. Orwellian even. What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. That’s…

Perfectly said. There was even a show about this a decade ago, called The Newsroom, and on the show the network failed specifically because they reported only the news. It's actually a really good show, and in hindsight, prescient.

It also spawned the term 'American Taliban' which seems to have come into vogue recently.

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After decades of mainstream media abusing their position instead of being an actual balancing fourth power, the chicken are coming home to roost.

For me the realization that the mainstream media was not fulfilling their role anymore was:

    - following 9/11, when *none* of the mainstream outlets had the guts to question the decisions to go into Iraq and all aligned to sing 'hail to the chief' in base fear of being called anti-american.

    - in 2005, when the danish mohamed cartoons crisis came and went and most the American main media cowardly caved in to pressure and refused to publish the cartoons [1] [2] [3]
I don't believe there is anything they can do to reverse the trend. And to be honest, I really won't be sad to see them die the horrible death they deserve.

What worries me is that we do indeed need some social apparatus than can speak truth to power, and there isn't anything yet that I can see that will provide that: the internet style wannabe replacement (blogs, YT pundits, etc...) are just too diluted for that.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_that_reprin...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cartoons_that_Shook_the_Wo...

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_OR3b-97Ds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how you can have a healthy democracy without an informed populace (i.e. journalism).

I'm struggling to draw a link between journalism and the population being informed.

Edgy. What's your alternative?

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#49

I stopped following corporate news 2 years ago and started paying for independent creators and journalists instead on Substack and Locals. I follow substack, locals and other communities of of Glenn Greenwald, Viva Frei and Robert Barnes, Kim Iverson, Steven Crowder mug club, Jimmy Dore, Matt Taibbi, Aaron Mate, Michael Tracey, Alison Morrow, Sharyl Attkinson.

Seems like you have a preference for a particular type of news source.

I don't know whether it is better to lean into our political biases or to just not play the game at all.

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how you can have a healthy democracy without an informed populace (i.e. journalism).

I'm struggling to draw a link between journalism and the population being informed.

I’d go a step further and declare that “informed” really just means that they’ve been presented with certain information. I myself have had a quote of mine published in a news article and it was used in a way that was the complete opposite of what I was intending to convey to the interviewer. I experienced the Gell-Mann effect first hand.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmn...

“In a speech in 2002, Crichton coined the term Gell-Mann amnesia effect, after physicist Murray Gell-Mann. He used this term to describe the phenomenon of experts believing news articles on topics outside of their fields of expertise, even after acknowledging that articles written in the same publication that are within the experts' fields of expertise are error-ridden and full of misunderstanding”

In other words, when people read articles about something in their own field of expertise, they are able to pick the misrepresentations out easily. But they assume the rest of the news is straightforward because they don’t know any better and trust the journalist’s reporting as an accurate representation of what is happening.

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