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Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

People are literally buying horse paste and eating it.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Note for readers like me inside the liberal media bubble: the Ivermectin craze isn't 100% nonsense where hillbillies take their horse medicine. As the article notes, it's been seriously studied in various countries and so far afaik hasn't been proved to not be effective.

We shouldn’t feel obliged to correct the misinformation of mainstream propaganda.

If you are dumb and arrogant enough to believe that people are dumb enough to stick an ivermectin dispenser designed for horses in human mouths, you deserve to live in the private psychological hell you’ve created for yourself.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

Ivermectin is owned by big pharma (merck).

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use...

“No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.” - merek

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Let's suppose ivermectin has a weak positive effect. I am fine with the possibility. My doctor believed in that, he prescribed it, me and my family took it (my kid would take it anyway for other reasons).

The big problem (in Brazil at least) is, the bozo president and his entourage elected this medicine as a silver bullet, saying that we didn't need vaccines, didn't need any social isolation (let alone lockdowns), etc.

These bozos created a false dichotomy: one thing is to take a chance and swallow some medicine as last-ditch attempt when you have no other known option. They use this reasoning to say nothing else was needed.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The announcement is for people with basic reasoning skills, not for those that take drugs based on Facebook posts. Ivermectin, like many drugs, is used for various things. COVID is not one of them, and those pushing it have no expertise to understand the medical studies, nor are they interested in doing a comprehensive evaluation. Yet again, actual experts aren't on the playing field, it's talking heads and hired deg…

Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical studies"?

Yes, there are plenty of shitty incompetent doctors like there are with any other profession. Did these same doctors not contribute to the opioid crisis? Can every programmer understand every whitepaper and implement what they read?

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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This is a byproduct of the arcane US medical system. The rich see a doctor and get drugs and are warned off ivermectin. The poor see doctors with meters attached, insert $$, get advice, follow advice to pharmacy = another meter, insert $$. Even an ambulance can cost $1000. In Rest of world the state pays health, so the first doctor visit kill the ivermectin myth and they get the proper medication at a fraction of the…

I agree that our medical system is fucked, but what exactly are you referring to here? The process seems the same from when I was poor and now that I'm rich. Make appointment -> pay money -> see doctor -> get prescription -> go to pharmacy -> pay money -> get drugs. And the advice I get from doctors doesn't seem to be any better now. It's not like doctors that poor people see are intentionally giving bad medical advi…

I think the point was that those who can afford it can see better doctors, particularly those who are less likely to be swayed by pharmaceutical company incentives. Case in point would be, when you were poor did you go to the same doctor in the same neighborhood now that you are rich?

Kind of like those who can afford them can receive better lawyers than overworked public defenders.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#47

Note for readers like me inside the liberal media bubble: the Ivermectin craze isn't 100% nonsense where hillbillies take their horse medicine. As the article notes, it's been seriously studied in various countries and so far afaik hasn't been proved to not be effective.

No one is saying that, yes it’s hilarious to watch people take the horse version. And we absolutely should Make fun of them. But just like I’m not using a leg splint to treat cancer, ivermectin doesn’t treat a virus. It’s not the “liberal” media it’s science dumbass.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

But people are self medicating with horse paste. That’s a big part of the problem, the dosage is horse sized.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that our medical system is fucked, but what exactly are you referring to here? The process seems the same from when I was poor and now that I'm rich. Make appointment -> pay money -> see doctor -> get prescription -> go to pharmacy -> pay money -> get drugs. And the advice I get from doctors doesn't seem to be any better now. It's not like doctors that poor people see are intentionally giving bad medical advi…

Perhaps they don't even see a doctor, at least not in the official manner. I know of people who consult medical practitioners in a "black market" fashion because it's so much cheaper (and in some ways more convenient) than the proper medical-industrial-complex way.

> I know of people who consult medical practitioners in a "black market" fashion because it's so much cheaper

How does this work?

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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post #41
post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

People are literally buying horse paste and eating it.

I don't think anyone's saying they shouldn't stop. That's not the point the person you're replying to is making.
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