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System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by jagger27 »

bo1024 wrote: post #34
jagger27 wrote: post #7

I say it every time every time one of these threads pop up and I’ll say it again here: if it’s not 16:10 or 3:2 I’m simply not interested. I buy devices like this for productivity. I don't care about black bars when watching videos because I don't watch videos on it. What I absolutely care about is the extra inch of text in my terminal or text editor. I didn't think this was a controversial opinion.

Framework might be for you! I think it's 3:2.

Indeed it's nearly perfect, but I would only buy it with a considerably better processor. Both Intel and AMD have incredible stuff lined up for the next few years in that space. For now though, since I have to keep a Mac around for work, I'll probably stick with my M1 MacBook Air for my portable needs and keep using Linux on my desktop.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by slantyyz »

jm4 wrote: post #31
ruined wrote: post #12

1080p screen is a no-go. come on yall, it's 2021

I would have thought the same several years ago. At age 40+, 1080p on a laptop is still good. Even at 1080p, I have to go into accessibility settings to enlarge text. I'm pretty much out of the market for 4k screens on laptops these days. Also had to switch to a big phone and crank up the text size.

50+ with bad eyes, and I think the difference between 4K and 1080p is still very noticeable on a 15.6" laptop, in terms of sharpness.

Having said that, most people probably set the text magnification on a 4K screen to be the same as a 1080p screen, so any real estate gains tend to be a wash.

Since getting presbyopia several years ago, I had single vision glasses prescribed for using a computer. So when I am using a computer, as long as the screens are around 21" to 27" away from my eyes, everything is sharp. It sucks having an extra pair of glasses (and remembering to swap them when not using a computer), but I would go nuts if I didn't have them.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by Koshkin »

jjoonathan wrote: post #14
johnzim wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea who thought this was a good idea. The trackpad is even off to the left to accommodate it. I'm not a fan of symmetry for symmetry's sake, but I do think some affordances for the human body might be a good idea. How do southpaws enjoy this keyboard setup? The ergonomics of laptops are bad enough without stuff like this.

I love numeric keypads. I don't have to type in big chunks of numbers very often (OCR and GPIB go a long way) but when I do, numeric pads make me hate life a lot less.

I prefer the hidden one.

https://www.dummies.com/computers/pcs/the-hidden-numeric-key...

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by kazinator »

ruined wrote: post #12

1080p screen is a no-go. come on yall, it's 2021

It's a 15" screen! For 4K to even begin to make sense, you need a 40" diagonal, and with your face about a foot away from it. (For a more detailed explanation, ask a local fifth grader.)

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by hellcow »

Rd6n6 wrote: post #39

What are system76 keyboards and trackpads like? I wish I could touch one before having to decide whether to buy

I bought a system76 years ago wanting to support their open source work. Maybe it's changed since (?), but mine had a Clevo shell which meant it had a bad keyboard and a terrible trackpad, with a cheap plastic feel and lots of flex. It's the first laptop I ever replaced within a month...

The keyboard was later recalled, so I swapped it out with a new one they sent me which wasn't cut to the correct dimensions and never fit (bubbling up in the center and leaving a gap around the keyboard for things to fall into).

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by freedomben »

jagger27 wrote: post #41
bo1024 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Framework might be for you! I think it's 3:2.

Indeed it's nearly perfect, but I would only buy it with a considerably better processor. Both Intel and AMD have incredible stuff lined up for the next few years in that space. For now though, since I have to keep a Mac around for work, I'll probably stick with my M1 MacBook Air for my portable needs and keep using Linux on my desktop.

a great thing about the framework though is the processor is upgradeable! So once the new stuff comes out ...

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by neogodless »

Guest42 wrote: post #33

Would ordering one of these with 32gb of ram lead to a significant decrease in battery performance?

Looks like the increase from 8GB to 32GB is going from ~3W to 12W of power consumption.

The CPU likely consumes 30-45W depending on configuration.

So it's not trivial, all things considered.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by sz4kerto »

bluedino wrote: post #40
jagger27 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like no one here has used a MacBook before. They've been putting 2560 by 1600 displays in 13" MacBooks for what, a decade now?

Mac OS doesn't have all the goofy issues that Linux and Windows do when using hidpi/4k whatever screens.

Windows has practically perfect hidpi nowadays. Also on moderately hidpi screens (eg 4K 32"), MacOS is extremely blurry.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by yumraj »

johnzim wrote: post #8
protomyth wrote: post #2

I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

I have no idea who thought this was a good idea. The trackpad is even off to the left to accommodate it. I'm not a fan of symmetry for symmetry's sake, but I do think some affordances for the human body might be a good idea. How do southpaws enjoy this keyboard setup? The ergonomics of laptops are bad enough without stuff like this.

>The trackpad is even off to the left to accommodate it.

Yes, that is the first thing I notice. Any laptop with an off-center trackpad goes in the do-not-buy list.

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