I don't know where this is going. Perhaps prepping for the global warming riots. Is there a way out of surveillance?
Vote. Or be more active in politics.
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Vote. Or be more active in politics.
Voting is how this mess started... how is voting harder going to fix what voting created? Nothing short of a common national ethos of trust in an almost unremovable leader can solve this problem. A leader who can listen to experts and make a choice, even if unpopular, without fear of next election and without the need to aggrandize more power and wealth.
That's the kind of rationalization which got Europe into WW2...
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is there a way out of surveillance? Vote with your feet. Divest out of Australia. Make sure there's a brain drain out of the country.
Or vote with your… vote. The relative benefit is that it can actually work, in theory at least.
You really think any of what's going on in Australia is the will of the people?
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#44Well, just added Australia to the list of places I'm never going. > The two Australian law enforcement bodies AFP and ACIC will soon have the power to modify, add, copy, or delete your data should you become a suspect in the investigation of a serious crime. How would one prove the bodies didnt add/modify incriminating items? in the US that would be nigh impossible to argue against as the system implicitly trusts pol…
There is no defense against a legal power that does not limit itself.
States almost-by-definition have total power should they wish to exercise it.
Western states generally have limited their exercise of power, and they have structured themselves to make it difficult for one government to obtain and exercise total power. That is now changing.
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#45I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.
TIL Fastmail is an Australian company. I wonder if this bill applies to data hosted outside of Australia for international clients by a company based in Australia?
I'd really like to know what they have to say about this.
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#46I don't know where this is going. Perhaps prepping for the global warming riots. Is there a way out of surveillance?
If there are riots, then a worldwide crash of the financial markets seems like the more likely cause
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#47In the U.S. we have the 4th Amendment to our Constitution, which reads:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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#48Over the past two years, Australian and New Zealand's governments have become great examples of how statism can take over so quickly. As an outsider, I feel really sad for people in Australia and New Zealand.
What have NZ done?
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#49edit: found information about emergency authorisation
Here's the bill under discussion [1] :
This article states that it brings in new warrants, and makes no mention of "without a judge's warrant" [2].
Perhaps the original article is keying off of:
"(aab) to establish procedures for certain law enforcement officers of the Australian Federal Police or the Australian Crime Commission to obtain warrants and emergency authorisations" [3]
"emergency authorisations" would appear to not require a warrant, but it does include language of "it is not practicable in the circumstances to apply for a " [4]
However, I'm not Australian, and definitely not a lawyer.
[1] https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislat...
[2] https://www.natlawreview.com/article/even-hacking-field-gove...
[3] https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display....
[4] https://pinpoint.cch.com.au/360document/legauUio1949041sl318...
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#50Interesting. I’m not from Australia but I thought the concept of an Administrative Appeals Tribunal interesting. It seems like a way to offload work from the main court system. According to Wikipedia it also does seem to have oversight by the Federal Court of Australia. [1] While I agree that this seems like a massive overstep. The actual body seems similar to the FISA court in the US. There wasn’t any detail in the…
Not to directly answer your question, but my trust of "the system" in general is severely shaken by recent cases involving the treatment of whistleblowers.
Australia's powers-that-be seem to be promoting a chilling effect on any revelations that may cause negative publicity about said powers-that-be.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/10/witne...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/prosecutors-proceed-c...