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Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by option_greek »

leokennis wrote: post #38
option_greek wrote: post #31

I used to work in their SSD vertical on the software side. For what it's worth, SSD/memory business unit is their pride. They never used to cut corners and do rigorous testing to ensure their customers aren't screwed over. Even when a bad batch of SSDs were shipped by mistake, they would recall/refund all of them proactively. When ever a new model is released, they would first ship limited units to a set of SSD enthu…

How are Samsung Smart TV’s garbage? I mean, they have ads and crap in some markets but so do all their competitors. I have a Samsung TV which has great picture quality, decent design and plenty of useful options for a very reasonable price.

In meant in terms of durability and quality. We used to by a lot of Samsung electronics (along with TVs) through employee discounts and the failure rates among the TVs are always high. So much so that we used to joke about that there is a "if condition" that some how causes the pcb to fail in first month after first year (TVs used to have 1 year warranty).

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by option_greek »

treyfitty wrote: post #36
option_greek wrote: post #31

I used to work in their SSD vertical on the software side. For what it's worth, SSD/memory business unit is their pride. They never used to cut corners and do rigorous testing to ensure their customers aren't screwed over. Even when a bad batch of SSDs were shipped by mistake, they would recall/refund all of them proactively. When ever a new model is released, they would first ship limited units to a set of SSD enthu…

Samsung’s pride and butter is their SSD group? I find that hard to believe… they provide a range of products, including cars (they dominate the SKorean auto market), as well as financial services (in S Korea). In America, they have TVs, and cell phones. I find it very hard to believe SSDs are their pride and butter

To be specific Samsung Electronics group's than Samsung the parent company as there are several verticals apart from Electronics.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by gregd »

bluerival wrote: post #40
treyfitty wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samsung’s pride and butter is their SSD group? I find that hard to believe… they provide a range of products, including cars (they dominate the SKorean auto market), as well as financial services (in S Korea). In America, they have TVs, and cell phones. I find it very hard to believe SSDs are their pride and butter

What is pride and butter?

I think they meant bread & butter? But OP only used the word "pride", so yeah, it's a little confusing what this commenter meant.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by PixelOfDeath »

leokennis wrote: post #38
option_greek wrote: post #31

I used to work in their SSD vertical on the software side. For what it's worth, SSD/memory business unit is their pride. They never used to cut corners and do rigorous testing to ensure their customers aren't screwed over. Even when a bad batch of SSDs were shipped by mistake, they would recall/refund all of them proactively. When ever a new model is released, they would first ship limited units to a set of SSD enthu…

How are Samsung Smart TV’s garbage? I mean, they have ads and crap in some markets but so do all their competitors. I have a Samsung TV which has great picture quality, decent design and plenty of useful options for a very reasonable price.

Samsung will give updates for a maximum of 5 years. So all the security holes or missing root certificates (for HTTPS connections) of the integrated browser stagnate after that.

Then you have to use a raspberry PI or some other mini computer to get the same use out of it. And then why use a "smart" TV in the first place?

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by stevespang »

leokennis wrote: post #38
option_greek wrote: post #31

I used to work in their SSD vertical on the software side. For what it's worth, SSD/memory business unit is their pride. They never used to cut corners and do rigorous testing to ensure their customers aren't screwed over. Even when a bad batch of SSDs were shipped by mistake, they would recall/refund all of them proactively. When ever a new model is released, they would first ship limited units to a set of SSD enthu…

How are Samsung Smart TV’s garbage? I mean, they have ads and crap in some markets but so do all their competitors. I have a Samsung TV which has great picture quality, decent design and plenty of useful options for a very reasonable price.

PURE GARBAGE. Do you enjoy all the trash ads they feed to you ?, you must, to be posting that comment here.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by stevespang »

gkanai wrote: post #28
b112 wrote: post #24

According to article, all performance tests, and claims, seem to come from one Chinese reviewer. One person. If so, this is highly irresponsible. The language (likely, seems to, may be) in the article only highlights this. There seems to be no attempt to contact Samsung either. Really?!? Edit: The cynic in me, wonders of this single review was paid for, to make WD look "less bad". A review / story with no proof, only…

Samsung has admitted the action and has committed to changing the product model number if this happens again.

Does not preclude class action lawyers from stepping in and raking in millions from Samsung for DECEPTION.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by philliphaydon »

nitinreddy88 wrote: post #39
treyfitty wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samsung’s pride and butter is their SSD group? I find that hard to believe… they provide a range of products, including cars (they dominate the SKorean auto market), as well as financial services (in S Korea). In America, they have TVs, and cell phones. I find it very hard to believe SSDs are their pride and butter

America doesn’t represent world. In asian countries, Samsung and WD controls almost entire SSD market

I see like no advertising for Samsung or WD SSDs in Singapore and Taiwan. The last advert I saw was Silicon Power which I believe is Taiwanese?

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by PixelOfDeath »

llampx wrote: post #30
PixelOfDeath wrote: post #14

With the introduction of QLC consumer SSDs, with worse write endurance and life time but the same price as TLC, I took a look at used enterprise SSDs and never looked back. The only issues is the connectors. You need 8x PCI-E lanes (4x might work) or a SAS connector that nearly no consumer board has.

Do you have any recommendations? How does the price per TB compare?

I got myself a used pm1725b (PCI-E v3 8x) with 3.2TB for 400€.

It hat ~350TB written, and according to Samsung is rated for 3 full device writes per day for 5 years = 17280 TB. So I have some wriggle room left.

They use lots of capacitors to hold written data in a dram and flush it out to flash on sudden power down. So they can optimize write operations for speed and low flash wear. Write speed and endurance is the part where consumer SSDs suck more and more ass.

Annoyingly many sellers do not put up the written amount of data. But I think that is more out of ignorance and less to try to dump worn down devices.

Re: Samsung seemingly caught swapping components in its 970 Evo Plus SSDs

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Post by PixelOfDeath »

fomine3 wrote: post #32
PixelOfDeath wrote: post #14

With the introduction of QLC consumer SSDs, with worse write endurance and life time but the same price as TLC, I took a look at used enterprise SSDs and never looked back. The only issues is the connectors. You need 8x PCI-E lanes (4x might work) or a SAS connector that nearly no consumer board has.

U.2 to PCIe mounter or U.2 to M.2 cable is fine.

I would not trust a cheap chinese PCI-E to U.2 connector. And used SAS cards become kind of hot and need active cooling. So why not just directly go for a PCI-E SSD?
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