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Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

#41

This is the worst tech news headline I’ve ever seen. The change the article is referring to is allowing developers to refer to non-IAP payments in communication with users outside the app (the fact that this was disallowed before blows my mind). This does absolutely nothing to change the in-app anti-steering rules Apple has. (edit: for clarity)

This is still a huge step even if not enough. It means that apps like spotify and netflix no longer have to have a screen saying "You can not continue via the app" and nothing more which is terrible UX. "Head to spotify.com to set up a subscription" is much better UI.

It is not clear that that would be considered communication "outside" the application, due to the link from "inside".

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

#42
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But I don’t get it, it has never been forbidden, isn’t that exactly how netflix and all other subscription business do it? Clearly they have communicated about the payment outside the app?

Netflix and spotify dump you on a page which says "You can not continue via the app". They have not been allowed to tell you how you can continue to set up a payment, only that it can not be via the app. Now they can say go to this url to set it up.

And AFAIK even to this lame extent is only a narrow exemption for applications that sell access to content like article, movies, music, and books.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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Agreed. It seems like a great way to turn your web browser into an abstraction of an operating system.

but this is what apple originally intended, just phones weren't powerful enough at the time. later firefoxOS did exactly that. and it worked well. its only weak part was the lack of apps in the market.

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Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

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but this is what apple originally intended, just phones weren't powerful enough at the time. later firefoxOS did exactly that. and it worked well. its only weak part was the lack of apps in the market.

Has too much time passed for FirefoxOS to become viable again? The latest moves by Apple seems to be changing public sentiment .

KaiOS was forked from Firefox OS, and it's currently installed on over 150 million devices, mostly in India. Unfortunately, it's closed source.

https://www.engadget.com/2019-02-26-kaios-third-mobile-opera...

https://www.fastcompany.com/90457544/kaios-most-innovative-c...

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

#45
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I don’t get it, it has never been forbidden, isn’t that exactly how netflix and all other subscription business do it? Clearly they have communicated about the payment outside the app?

Netflix and spotify dump you on a page which says "You can not continue via the app". They have not been allowed to tell you how you can continue to set up a payment, only that it can not be via the app. Now they can say go to this url to set it up.

I’m pretty sure they still can’t, since that happens in the app. The rule mentions communication outside the app.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

#46

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28323688 Linking this here from the other thread, because the above comment cites the actual court documents, which clear up a lot of confusion I'm seeing on this thread. Apple's concession only applies to communications outside of the app using contact information obtained outside of the app . (Which, yes, was somehow disallowed before.) If your user signed up through the app? To…

Not sure how they can defend any ban on telling users how to pay outside of the app. If Lina Khan tears Apple a new asshole they will be able to trace it back to the hubris displayed here.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

#48

This is the worst tech news headline I’ve ever seen. The change the article is referring to is allowing developers to refer to non-IAP payments in communication with users outside the app (the fact that this was disallowed before blows my mind). This does absolutely nothing to change the in-app anti-steering rules Apple has. (edit: for clarity)

This is still a huge step even if not enough. It means that apps like spotify and netflix no longer have to have a screen saying "You can not continue via the app" and nothing more which is terrible UX. "Head to spotify.com to set up a subscription" is much better UI.

This is still disallowed if I’m not mistaken.

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

#49
Thanks Apple, for "letting" me accept payment outside the App Store. Thanks for not watching the streets and not intervening when somebody tries to pay me.

All jokes aside, the wording is wrong. Apple does not "let me". I do. And Apple indeed doesn't stop me.

In one sentence Apple not only 'backs down', but presents itself as the one who 'lets you'. Well, thanks Apple. :')

Re: Apple will let developers accept payment outside App Store

#50

Thanks Apple, for "letting" me accept payment outside the App Store. Thanks for not watching the streets and not intervening when somebody tries to pay me. All jokes aside, the wording is wrong. Apple does not "let me". I do. And Apple indeed doesn't stop me. In one sentence Apple not only 'backs down', but presents itself as the one who 'lets you'. Well, thanks Apple. :')

If I have a web app allowing people to register and pay a recurring fee. Can Apple require that people using the iOS version app pay the subscription through the web store and then pay the Apple tax ?
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