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Re: Airbnb victim describes crime and aftermath

#41

Post by Vivtek » Sat, Jul 30, 2011, 10:39 PM UTC

badclient wrote: post #37

Vivtek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the reason this is not as simple as you would like is this: clearly, the original incident was not AirBnB's fault; it was a crime that happened in the same context as any other rental or lease situation, and (as I've posted in volume elsewhere) it happens. I've had tenants, so I empathize with her immensely, but it's still not even close to AirBnB's fault. So insofar as the original incident is concerned, you'r…

Then Airbnb stopped acting admirably How do you know this? Simply from reading EJ's summation of her communication with abnb? Airbnb as a corp cannot release original communication for privacy issues but she can. What does we have to hide?

I'm a little confused by your last sentence, but yes, essentially, I know it "simply" because EJ has summarized her communication with AirBnB.

Hiding behind "privacy" (as a corporation? wha?) is probably missing the point.

Re: Airbnb victim describes crime and aftermath

#42

Post by thisisfmu » Sat, Jul 30, 2011, 10:43 PM UTC

grellas wrote: post #31

She said the subject of compensation from Airbnb is still in flux, declining to provide further details. In a corporate statement on Thursday, Airbnb said: "Trust and safety are Airbnb's highest priorities and as such the improved safety processes are being implemented immediately . . ." A few legal (and other) observations: 1. An Airbnb guest has committed serious property crimes against an Airbnb host, causing not…

Thank you for sharing your observations.

Out of curiosity: might the fact that - as revealed in this story - there has been an outstanding warrant for the guest at the time of booking have any bearing on airbnb's liability? Can a host reasonably expect that some basic verification on guests is performed against criminal background databases?

Re: Airbnb victim describes crime and aftermath

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 30, 2011, 10:43 PM UTC

michaelcampbell wrote: post #40

Vivtek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the reason this is not as simple as you would like is this: clearly, the original incident was not AirBnB's fault; it was a crime that happened in the same context as any other rental or lease situation, and (as I've posted in volume elsewhere) it happens. I've had tenants, so I empathize with her immensely, but it's still not even close to AirBnB's fault. So insofar as the original incident is concerned, you'r…

> Also, I'd really like to differ with you rather vehemently with your oblique assertion that the Internet should be seen as a "substitute" for a real community. Where do you think you just posted? It's easy to differ with me vehemently when you're differing with something I didn't say, I guess. Apologies if I was unclear. I didn't say the internet was a substitute for a real community, I said she is trying to use it…

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Re: Airbnb victim describes crime and aftermath

#44

Post by Vivtek » Sat, Jul 30, 2011, 10:45 PM UTC

michaelcampbell wrote: post #40

Vivtek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the reason this is not as simple as you would like is this: clearly, the original incident was not AirBnB's fault; it was a crime that happened in the same context as any other rental or lease situation, and (as I've posted in volume elsewhere) it happens. I've had tenants, so I empathize with her immensely, but it's still not even close to AirBnB's fault. So insofar as the original incident is concerned, you'r…

> Also, I'd really like to differ with you rather vehemently with your oblique assertion that the Internet should be seen as a "substitute" for a real community. Where do you think you just posted? It's easy to differ with me vehemently when you're differing with something I didn't say, I guess. Apologies if I was unclear. I didn't say the internet was a substitute for a real community, I said she is trying to use it…

I can't think of a way to respond to this without it descending into (probably poorly aimed) flamage, so ... never mind, then.

Re: Airbnb victim describes crime and aftermath

#45

Post by badclient » Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 12:10 AM UTC

Vivtek wrote: post #41

badclient wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then Airbnb stopped acting admirably How do you know this? Simply from reading EJ's summation of her communication with abnb? Airbnb as a corp cannot release original communication for privacy issues but she can. What does we have to hide?

I'm a little confused by your last sentence, but yes, essentially, I know it "simply" because EJ has summarized her communication with AirBnB. Hiding behind "privacy" (as a corporation? wha?) is probably missing the point.

Hiding behind word twisting and pretty writing by EJ is somehow ok when she could just as easily publish the conversations?

You don't believe the latter would put us(the public) in a better position to judge who all is on tr wrong here?

You believe it is ok for companies to publish communication with a customer? Sorry, I do not--unless it comes out as part of a court proceeding.

Re: Airbnb victim describes crime and aftermath

#46

Post by Vivtek » Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 2:27 PM UTC

badclient wrote: post #45

Vivtek wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a little confused by your last sentence, but yes, essentially, I know it "simply" because EJ has summarized her communication with AirBnB. Hiding behind "privacy" (as a corporation? wha?) is probably missing the point.

Hiding behind word twisting and pretty writing by EJ is somehow ok when she could just as easily publish the conversations? You don't believe the latter would put us(the public) in a better position to judge who all is on tr wrong here? You believe it is ok for companies to publish communication with a customer? Sorry, I do not--unless it comes out as part of a court proceeding.

So your position is she's lying? And you seem quite convinced.

Re: Airbnb victim describes crime and aftermath

#47

Post by badclient » Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 3:43 PM UTC

Vivtek wrote: post #46

badclient wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hiding behind word twisting and pretty writing by EJ is somehow ok when she could just as easily publish the conversations? You don't believe the latter would put us(the public) in a better position to judge who all is on tr wrong here? You believe it is ok for companies to publish communication with a customer? Sorry, I do not--unless it comes out as part of a court proceeding.

So your position is she's lying? And you seem quite convinced.

Yup.