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The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

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Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

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What's worse is the billions in armored vehicles and weapons that can be used against those who resist them. If anything, the Taliban are now in a stronger military position than in 2001.

That equipment can be decommissioned from the air with low risk to allied forces.

What about innocent civilians?

Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

#42

We should never have left valuable material behind. How often has our own money and technology been used against us? We need to learn out lesson and do better. If we planned on leaving we had time to get that type of technology out of there first or destroyed the equipment beyond the point of repair.

Taliban would love to use any technology that's available to them considering their position.

Agreed.

Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

#43

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That equipment can be decommissioned from the air with low risk to allied forces.

What about innocent civilians?

Provide ample warning abandoned military hardware is considered in the kill box.

Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

#44

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It absolutely is. Or do you think it's ok to supply North Korea?

Afghanistan is not yet on the list[1]. If the new government doesn’t uphold its obligations under Doha, there is a good chance it will be added to it in the future. 1. https://www.state.gov/state-sponsors-of-terrorism/

"Afghanistan" (the recently routed government) is not on the list. The Taliban is not a (yet) recognized nation-state in most Western countries. It'll take time for these lists to get updated with recent events.

Considering that the Taliban is/was a hostile party to an active US military operation, starting economic activities with them without explicit government approval is probably not a good idea.

Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

#45
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There is a stark difference between old cars and modern tech, especially when we take into consideration repairability and right to repair being pressing issues.

Could you please explain why you believe "right to repair" is relevant in this case?

Ah, I see you don't know that companies can "prohibit" chip manufacturers from selling specific chips to third parties [1,2]. Moreover, schematics, repair guidelines, and all sorts of other tools are not available to independent repair shops, which render repairs very difficult, Louis Rossmann has had frequent rants about this on his channel on Youtube [2], and is one of the most prominent advocates of the right to repair.

It follows then that unless right to repair passes/exists, obtaining replacement parts for any devices is exceptionally difficult. There is therefore a stark contrast between 1960s cars and their very limited electronics and current tech that relies on often hundreds of chips and software to operate.

[1] https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/7/3/18761691/right-to-rep...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCFP9P7lIvI

Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

#46

We should never have left valuable material behind. How often has our own money and technology been used against us? We need to learn out lesson and do better. If we planned on leaving we had time to get that type of technology out of there first or destroyed the equipment beyond the point of repair.

We didn't plan on leaving. We planned on winning.

Unfortunately, it was a bad plan.

Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

#47
post #33

Why do we leave so much behind? Is it impractical to remove economically or there’s no money that be made from it? I understand large parts of it was given to the Afghan army but it’s jarring to see. With regards to anything other than a weapon, we should be able to brick everything with a firmware update in the future.

The more equipment the army leaves behind, the more will need replacing, and the more profit the arms manufacturers make :P > we should be able to brick everything with a firmware update I am curious how permenantly-bricked a tank would be without the electronics. Sure replacing the electronics would be a pain in the ass, but I would imagine it’s still orders of magnitude easier than building a whole tank from scratc…

They'll probably be able to get it minimally working, but much of modern weapons tech is in the software, targeting systems, precision firing timing, etc. It's possible these tanks are too old for that to be a factor though.

It is theoretically possible to lock down the system to only authorized users, much like what we see with TPMs and modern smartphone security. This is supposed to be part of the reason the F35 program was so expensive - every component is cryptographically signed and verified.

Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

#48

We should never have left valuable material behind. How often has our own money and technology been used against us? We need to learn out lesson and do better. If we planned on leaving we had time to get that type of technology out of there first or destroyed the equipment beyond the point of repair.

The material wasn't "left behind". It was given to the ANA for them to fight the Taliban.

But the ANA was folding so fast according to news reports. Maybe there was no way to prevent biometric equipment from falling into the Talban's hands. I guess my hope is that there were better solutions that didn't hurt us.

I'm actually surprised at the response to my comment. I think I'm not expressing myself clearly. My thoughts keep wandering to what could have been done and the costs of the Taliban possessing advanced technology. Sorry for the Pollyanna mindset here.

Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

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Presumably, if the customer doesn't have the right to repair then the manufacturer would be able to make parts that are exceptionally difficult to repair without specialized knowledge and tools. Or worse, enforce cryptographic locks on any software/firmware to prevent unauthorized changes. I think right to repair is about ensuring that the customer can make reasonable repairs to the product, and the manufacturer not…

It’s military equipment. It’s easy as heck to repair and the manuals are all online.

That doesn't hold [1].

> Manufacturers can prevent the Department of Defense from repairing certain equipment, which puts members of the military at risk.

[1] https://perma.cc/HS7U-2A9H

Re: The Taliban Have Seized U.S. Military Biometrics Devices

#50
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If the Taliban now represent the official .gov of Afghanistan it is not a crime for any company to provide supply and services. Edit: I am not talking about US-American companies only.

It absolutely is. Or do you think it's ok to supply North Korea?

I didn't say it is "ok". I said it is not a crime.
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