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Intel Brings Chiplets to Data Center CPUs

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Re: Intel Brings Chiplets to Data Center CPUs

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Going by this... https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html Intel still has 90%+ of the server market. It only just started moving over to AMD. They did gain a lot of ground over Intel in the desktop market though.

That chart shows the installed base at the end of each quarter, not sales in each quarter - see note below the chart. So current Intel sales are likely significantly less than 90% of the server market.

AMD can’t make enough chips to take 50% of the current sales market yet alone 90%… you do understand that both Intel and AMD publish reports each quarter so we know how much revenue they generate in each segment right?

Re: Intel Brings Chiplets to Data Center CPUs

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Though it's not even really a first for Intel. They made the Xeon 9200 series two years ago, and while those were slapdash and hard to buy, it's hard to argue that they don't deserve this crown. Two dies in a single package, each with 28 cores and memory controllers and I/O. Even when Intel moves to heterogeneous dies, that won't actually be a first for them, even in the modern era. Several early i3/i5/i7 models had…

The 9200 was a reaction to AMD's EPYC so surely AMD gets the crown?

The crown of "first for Intel"

My comment started with that phrase because that's what it was about, but I guess the wording confused people?

Re: Intel Brings Chiplets to Data Center CPUs

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I wonder if they'll call it "glued-together". https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-slide-criticizes-amd-for-using... The 4 die SoC does look an awful lot like 1st gen EPYC.

It's especially ironic because Intel had also previously "glued together" chiplets for the C2Qs and their equivalent Xeons (e.g. X3200 series). > The 2 × 2 "quad-core" (dual-die dual-core[17]) comprised two separate dual-core die next to each other in one CPU package.

Though there's something to be said about die size. If you can't reach 250mm2 on a single die, that's much more mockable than wanting multiple dies to build your 900mm2 server CPU.

Re: Intel Brings Chiplets to Data Center CPUs

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I thought AMD had already brought chiplets to data center CPUs a long time ago [1], [2] and that is why they are leading currently, now that they have multiple generations of chiplet data center CPUs out? [3] [1] https://www.wired.com/story/keep-pace-moores-law-chipmakers-... [2] https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-epyc-processor-models-... [3] https://www.wired.com/story/keep-pace-moores-law-chipmakers-...

Not only that, but Intel slides ridiculed AMD "glueing" cores together.

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/intel-slide-criticizes-amd-for-us...

Re: Intel Brings Chiplets to Data Center CPUs

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That chart shows the installed base at the end of each quarter, not sales in each quarter - see note below the chart. So current Intel sales are likely significantly less than 90% of the server market.

AMD can’t make enough chips to take 50% of the current sales market yet alone 90%… you do understand that both Intel and AMD publish reports each quarter so we know how much revenue they generate in each segment right?

How about reading more carefully before being so patronizing. I just said Intel likely has less than 90% market share now. I never said AMD has 90%. Sheesh.

Re: Intel Brings Chiplets to Data Center CPUs

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AMD can’t make enough chips to take 50% of the current sales market yet alone 90%… you do understand that both Intel and AMD publish reports each quarter so we know how much revenue they generate in each segment right?

How about reading more carefully before being so patronizing. I just said Intel likely has less than 90% market share now. I never said AMD has 90%. Sheesh.

AMD’s Q2 revenue for enterprise, semi-custom and embedded is $1.6B, Intel’s datacenter revenue for Q2 was $6.5B. Intel still outsells AMD by at least 3 to 1 in datacenter and perhaps even a bit more in terms of volume since AMD has almost no entry level systems unlike Intel.

Re: Intel Brings Chiplets to Data Center CPUs

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How about reading more carefully before being so patronizing. I just said Intel likely has less than 90% market share now. I never said AMD has 90%. Sheesh.

AMD’s Q2 revenue for enterprise, semi-custom and embedded is $1.6B, Intel’s datacenter revenue for Q2 was $6.5B. Intel still outsells AMD by at least 3 to 1 in datacenter and perhaps even a bit more in terms of volume since AMD has almost no entry level systems unlike Intel.

Which does not contradict anything I said. AMD having 20-30% market share in data centers sounds plausible.

Re: Intel Brings Chiplets to Data Center CPUs

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I thought AMD had already brought chiplets to data center CPUs a long time ago [1], [2] and that is why they are leading currently, now that they have multiple generations of chiplet data center CPUs out? [3] [1] https://www.wired.com/story/keep-pace-moores-law-chipmakers-... [2] https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-epyc-processor-models-... [3] https://www.wired.com/story/keep-pace-moores-law-chipmakers-...

Chiplets aren’t a desired technology. It’s done for either yield (more common) or thermal reasons (less common). It’s not something to brag about.

There's some truth to this in the sense that a single die would almost always have better performance than chiplets, but chiplets also reduce cost and they make larger core counts possible. A single die literally can't fit more than ~48 big cores with the associated cache and I/O, so 56, 64, or 96-core processors are only possible using chiplets.
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