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ISP Bandwidth Caps are Really Rate Hikes

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Re: ISP Bandwidth Caps are Really Rate Hikes

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22 Mbps shared by hundreds or thousands of customers is much worse than cable or DSL. You can already do ~100 Mbps at decent range in 2.4 GHz using Ubiquiti or similar equipment; there are dozens of WISPs doing this and if they're lucky they barely break even.

Thanks Wes - If I understand correctly, it's the density of end-points within range that would determine whether the economics are favorable. Wondering then, what is the use case for this new standard? Only very rural areas?

No. You're missing the point ENTIRELY.

As average bandwidth consumption PER ENDPOINT increases and moves from very bursty to somewhat constant bit rate, the effects up the cost chain start to chip away at the design parameters that went into building the infrastructure we're going to live with for some time. Replacing that infrastructure is costly so pricing pressure is used to delay that replacement event. It's all about ECONOMICS.

This is the case whether we're talking about urban or rural areas. It's definitely more acute when we're in a rural area, but the first-mile is only part of the cost of delivering b/w. The rest of that cost is driven by indirect factors.

Case in point: a very recent government regulation resulted in a network upgrade that cost $71 million in new hardware ALONE. Add in the labor costs associated with testing and installing all of that hardware and you're somewhere north of $100 million. That "upgrade" added not a single bit of capacity to the network.

Re: ISP Bandwidth Caps are Really Rate Hikes

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Business service?

Yes, but it's expensive. I pay $89 + $10 for static IPs per month. The data rates I get: 50+Mbps/6Mbps. I torrent tv shows and I've never noticed any problems seeding. My downloads usually start out at 3-5MB/s, and drop down to 2MB/s. Clearly they are throttling the downstream, but I can live with that rate. EDIT: I don't know what the advertised rates were, but they were less (20/5?).

e40, what's the name of your plan? I can't seem to find rates like that on their site, the 50/20 plan is for 280 dollars.

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Ya know, I can't help feeling that this quote is apropos: "Everything is amazing, and nobody is happy." --Louis C.K. Whenever this point is raised, I always argue that human progress depends on the amazing becoming commonplace, luxuries becoming essentials, etc. If we were always walking around being bewildered by everything, we'd have no reason to improve.

My main point was to illustrate just how far we've come in absolute terms. My second point was to point out that there are real reasons why the assumptions made about what broadband "costs" aren't really relevant to what you "pay" for it. Without putting too fine a point on it, CAPEX on equipment/fiber tend to be dwarfed by the OPEX of leasing and labor costs associated with running a telecomm business for profit. So…

My first encounter with the Internet was on a 10hr/mo. dial-up connection with a 14.4kbps modem, and I'd been using BBSes before that. I definitely appreciate how far we've come :). Still, ISPs have reached the point where they're holding back technological progress to satisfy their own ends. Municipal fiber projects and independent ISPs often don't impose the same restrictions as the monopoly players, which suggests that it's possible to run a network without, for example, forcing Netflix to pay an extra fee on top of its existing bandwidth payments.

So does the extended depreciation force equipment owners to pay the taxes they would've written off for the extra years if they just disconnect the equipment and let it sit in a closet?

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Yes, but it's expensive. I pay $89 + $10 for static IPs per month. The data rates I get: 50+Mbps/6Mbps. I torrent tv shows and I've never noticed any problems seeding. My downloads usually start out at 3-5MB/s, and drop down to 2MB/s. Clearly they are throttling the downstream, but I can live with that rate. EDIT: I don't know what the advertised rates were, but they were less (20/5?).

e40, what's the name of your plan? I can't seem to find rates like that on their site, the 50/20 plan is for 280 dollars.

On my bill it says: 16m Business Class HSI Preferred, for $89.95. The 5 static IPs are $9.95.

I don't remember there being a specific name for it.

I would not be surprised if they don't offer the exact thing anymore.

My advice, get some relatively low speed (16Mbps) and hope it's much higher, like I got.

Re: ISP Bandwidth Caps are Really Rate Hikes

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My main point was to illustrate just how far we've come in absolute terms. My second point was to point out that there are real reasons why the assumptions made about what broadband "costs" aren't really relevant to what you "pay" for it. Without putting too fine a point on it, CAPEX on equipment/fiber tend to be dwarfed by the OPEX of leasing and labor costs associated with running a telecomm business for profit. So…

My first encounter with the Internet was on a 10hr/mo. dial-up connection with a 14.4kbps modem, and I'd been using BBSes before that. I definitely appreciate how far we've come :). Still, ISPs have reached the point where they're holding back technological progress to satisfy their own ends. Municipal fiber projects and independent ISPs often don't impose the same restrictions as the monopoly players, which suggests…

How many municipal ISPs are there? Municipal fiber companies?

Careful. I used to work for a municipal fiber company and they are FAR from being the best group to build the kind of Infrastructure we need. Don't even get me started on the problem of politicizing the communications infrastructure of a city.

The only path forward is for us to get some real competition between the cablecos and the telcos.

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