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Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by ahnick »

syshum wrote: post #16
michaelbjames wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand, they're acting as an agent of the government, it's a private company. So, the 4th amendment protecting against unreasonable searches _by the government_ does not apply.

Acting as a agent, used to anyway, mean the 4th amendment attached to the company if they WERE NOT acting as an agent then the 4th would not apply. I think they way they get around that is not do not report to the FBI but instead to NCMEC a "non-profit"

who in turn reports to the government?

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by someperson »

endisneigh wrote: post #25
Componica wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's most likely a demand by China so that they can create an infrastructure to locate political dissidents. Oh look, a Winnie the Pooh Xi meme ended up in your gallery/inbox. Why is there a knock at the door? I'm pretty sure thats the real reason.

what's this take based on - have a link or anything?

I don't know about the suggestion that it's the government of China pushing for the feature itself, but the fact the feature now exists and WILL be used by authoritarian regimes to scan for political content is clearly understood by Apple employees. From the article:

> Apple employees have flooded an Apple internal Slack channel with more than 800 messages on the plan announced a week ago, workers who asked not to be identified told Reuters. Many expressed worries that the feature could be exploited by repressive governments looking to find other material for censorship or arrests, according to workers who saw the days-long thread.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by endisneigh »

geofft wrote: post #38
endisneigh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use a photo client on an android phone, encrypt the photos and use NextCloud (self-hosted). Make sure your certificates are up-to-date. Reverse this process on another client to see the photos.

What sort of Android? Normal Google-provided Android, which contains closed-source components? Or do you have an open-source alternative in mind? Where do I self-host NextCloud?

you can self-host NextCloud on your laptop or desktop.

you can use whichever flavor of Android you'd like - a lot of people like GrapheneOS

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by guerrilla »

jonplackett wrote: post #5

In their attempt to make this extra private by scanning 'on device', I think they've managed to make it feel worse. If they scan my iCloud photos in iCloud, well lots of companies scan stuff when you upload it. It's on their servers, they're responsible for it. They don't want to be hosting CSAM. It feels much worse them turning your own, trusty iPhone against you. I know that isn't how you should look at it, but tha…

> I know that isn't how you should look at it, but that's still how it feels.

Why do you think you know that? You didn't say. It seems like that is how you should see it since they are using your processing power on your device potentially against you.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by syshum »

ahnick wrote: post #41
syshum wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Acting as a agent, used to anyway, mean the 4th amendment attached to the company if they WERE NOT acting as an agent then the 4th would not apply. I think they way they get around that is not do not report to the FBI but instead to NCMEC a "non-profit"

who in turn reports to the government?

Yes, but this is what happens when you make the 4th amendment in to Swiss cheese with exception after exception

you do not want criminals to escape justice to do you???? /s

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by endisneigh »

someperson wrote: post #42
endisneigh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's this take based on - have a link or anything?

I don't know about the suggestion that it's the government of China pushing for the feature itself, but the fact the feature now exists and WILL be used by authoritarian regimes to scan for political content is clearly understood by Apple employees. From the article: > Apple employees have flooded an Apple internal Slack channel with more than 800 messages on the plan announced a week ago, workers who asked not to be…

your quote contradicts your statement. it seems like the employees are worried that it could be exploited, not that it necessarily will be.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by trainsplanes »

Componica wrote: post #19
travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

It's most likely a demand by China so that they can create an infrastructure to locate political dissidents. Oh look, a Winnie the Pooh Xi meme ended up in your gallery/inbox. Why is there a knock at the door? I'm pretty sure thats the real reason.

It’s silly to think the US government hasn’t been twisting their arm to do this for years.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by mmastrac »

kurofune wrote: post #33
endisneigh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's this take based on - have a link or anything?

>what's this take based on Racism and ignorance.

In fairness, this is literally happening on Chinese messenger services today so I wouldn't call it either of those

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by systemvoltage »

Regarding smartphones, I wonder if we’ve just lost a grip on what it means to have privacy. Even our expectations for privacy have degraded and eroded over time. We just carry this device with our life encoded in a flash chip with keys to cloud access. Life. Everything from emails to our walking gait, photos, text, history, health records, etc is stored on this one device. Dictators of the past would have a field day with this infrastructure.

“Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the people of future would willingly carry a surveillance device that they depend on everyday to communicate to others and carry with them everywhere?”

We need to move towards OSS and OSH phones with extreme urgency. We also need to get more people involved in Ham Radio.

Re: Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by XorNot »

kurofune wrote: post #33
endisneigh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's this take based on - have a link or anything?

>what's this take based on Racism and ignorance.

Apple isn't being pressured from China, but criticizing the CCP as the brutal dictatorship it is is not racist (and that idea is done verbatim CCP propaganda).
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