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Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by code_duck » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 1:51 PM UTC

john2x wrote: post #31

bergie wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been a core idea in both Midgard MVC and MidCOM PHP frameworks, though we called them components. http://wiki.openpsa2.org/index.php/MidCOM_Components https://github.com/midgardproject/midgardmvc_core/blob/maste...

I really hate why Django calls them 'apps'. Kinda difficult to distinguish between a working application or a Django 'app'.

I agree, I might have one 'app' that is what I consider my actual application, but then alongside it at the same level, something like Django OAuth. It would be a stretch to call django-registration or OAuth an 'app', since they can't do anything alone.

Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by neovive » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 1:55 PM UTC

The project team did an amazing job with this release. I'm not a Symfony user myself, but their website is very professional and well organized and the documentation is excellent -- very thorough and updated for the new release.

Beyond methodology and community, one of the major decisions involved when selecting a framework is being confident that your codebase will be supported in the near future. The Symfony developers and community seem very committed to their framework. Great Job!

Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by ryeguy » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:11 PM UTC

siphr wrote: post #6

mrspeaker wrote: post #4

I'd never heard of Symfony before. Can someone point to some tech details about the framework? The site does a lot of explaining what a framework is, and some general philosophies - but not what this particular framework is.

Same here. No Idea where this came from. To be honest the effort put into this could've just contributed to an existing open source framework for improvement.

Wait, what? Symfony 1 and Zend framework are 2 of the most popular frameworks for PHP. If you've never heard of it, you haven't been paying attention.

Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by cruiseControl » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:16 PM UTC

celalo wrote: post #38

narcissus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious about that first sentence there... are you saying that Symfony and Yii are both in the same league, different from everything else, or that Symfony is in a league different from the one that Yii is in? I haven't looked at Symfony, but I was really impressed by the event driven nature of Yii, and I couldn't wipe the smile off my face when I started looking into the active page elements. I think 2.0 is as…

I was meaning "Symfony is in a league different from the one that Yii is in" I value Symfony so much because you can create all model classes, crud forms etc from command line (as much as you want as you update your schema) just based on specifications from a easy to manage yml file. Also with ORM behaviors, you are in control of everything about your model.

In that case I wonder what makes you compare the two frameworks and what you actually think the two are in such a separate league. You keep talking about Symfony without actually comparing it with Yii as your initial statement made me think you would. :)

Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by abredow » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:37 PM UTC

gary4gar wrote: post #28

Congrats to Symfony2 Team! FYI, Symfony2 requires minimum PHP version 5.3.2 PHP 5.3 which is not something every shared hosting provider will support, most are still on 5.2.series. so everyone should keep that in mind while writing PHP app with Symfony2

I hear these sorts of things regarding hosting all of the time. However, in my experience, if you are working on an app that is large enough to warrant using a framework like Symfony or Zend Framework, you are probably going to also be using your own server. People don't build large expensive applications and then deploy to GoDaddy or something :)

Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by eurohacker » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:41 PM UTC

deweller wrote: post #39

I've looked through some source code in the Symfony 2 components. The code is well organized, commented, and most of all it is of high quality. As far as I am concerned, Symfony 2 is the gold standard example for developing a PHP project of any kind.

what do you think about Yii framework which is also gaining popularity these days,

Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:47 PM UTC

siphr wrote: post #6

mrspeaker wrote: post #4

I'd never heard of Symfony before. Can someone point to some tech details about the framework? The site does a lot of explaining what a framework is, and some general philosophies - but not what this particular framework is.

Same here. No Idea where this came from. To be honest the effort put into this could've just contributed to an existing open source framework for improvement.

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Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by eurohacker » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:48 PM UTC

skrebbel wrote: post #10

mrspeaker wrote: post #4

I'd never heard of Symfony before. Can someone point to some tech details about the framework? The site does a lot of explaining what a framework is, and some general philosophies - but not what this particular framework is.

Symfony is a rather popular PHP framework; it is commonly regarded in the PHP community as one of the higher-quality frameworks (amidst many half-baked frameworks that cause serious problems once your use case moves past the blog tutorial). In terms of functionality, it's basically for PHP what Rails is for Ruby, but unlike many other PHP frameworks, it's been designed with the platform in mind rather than trying to…

are you saying Symphony is better than market leaders Zend and Cakephp and becoming more popular these days ,

isnt it so that its much easier to find a Zend plugins/libraries or Cakephp ready-made plugin/library than to find Symphony code snippets

Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by eropple » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:49 PM UTC

corry wrote: post #33

Can someone comment on Symfony vs. CodeIgniter? I've done a few projects in CI - any big compelling reason to switch to Symfony for the next one?

CodeIgniter is a fundamentally PHP4 system that is, today, wedged into more modern PHP5.3 programming practices. Personally, I can't see a good reason to use CI today (and I say that as someone who has used it extensively in the past--my capstone project at school was based on it!). If you want something CI-esque, you're better off looking at Kohana...but Kohana seems to give short shrift to certain important aspects, e.g. security is something of an afterthought.

Symfony2, on the other hand, can be pretty safely termed a modern system: it's almost completely modular (and not in the "override some files, it's like magic!" method of Kohana or CI), expects modern programming practices (it doesn't treat you like an idiot; you can use PHP 5.3 stuff like anonymous functions and it's cool with it), and is blazingly, blazingly fast when configured properly.

Re: Symfony 2.0 is now available

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Post by eurohacker » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 2:54 PM UTC

AlexMuir wrote: post #5

I highly recommend Yii ( http://www.yiiframework.com/ ) for people looking for a PHP framework. I've never used Symfony so can't compare the two, but Yii has done everything I've asked of it.

someone should do a comparison between Symphony and Yii , what type of web applications is each of them more suitable ( plugins etc. considered )