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Re: Scanning “private” content

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This is interesting because it’s trivial to use someone else’s Siri and make it search whatever you want. (I can trigger my partners with 75% reliability if I just speak in a high pitched voice)

then they literally have a recording of you saying it...

in a voice that doesn't sound like their voice.

on edit: changed your to their

Re: Scanning “private” content

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> The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) is a private, nonprofit organization established in 1984 by the United States Congress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Missing_%2...

I don't want to critizise their work in any way, but this seems to be a case of "if your only tool is a hammer...".

Re: Scanning “private” content

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I haven't seen much discussion of the changes to search, which seem a little dystopian as well: > Siri and Search are also being updated to intervene when users perform searches for queries related to CSAM. These interventions will explain to users that interest in this topic is harmful and problematic, and provide resources from partners to get help with this issue. Will apple.cn be extending this to searches about…

This is interesting because it’s trivial to use someone else’s Siri and make it search whatever you want. (I can trigger my partners with 75% reliability if I just speak in a high pitched voice)

Well, it would certainly be an interesting moment in broadcast if someone were to ask millions of Siri's everywhere to search for "the forbidden things."

Re: Scanning “private” content

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The Butlerian Jihad cannot come soon enough. As time goes on, I realize that certain authors had better insights into the human condition than others. For example, Alduous Huxley has turned out to be more prophetic than George Orwell. I believe Frank Herbert will as well. Man cannot be ruled by machine. This cannot last much longer. A lot of political division in this country is due to technology. As someone genuinel…

How would you organise a rebellion on platforms controlled by the same entities you're rebelling against, ones who have shown that they can exert tremendous censoring power? They've also become an essential part of life for much of the population. As much as I'd love to be proven wrong, I don't think there will be any mass revolutions or other "liberty tree watering" going on in the near future. The masses have alrea…

> How would you organise a rebellion on platforms controlled by the same entities you're rebelling against, ones who have shown that they can exert tremendous censoring power?

How were they historically? In person, where people gather.

> The masses have already been beaten into submission and thoroughly enslaved.

Is this simply because technology exists, or because it is monopolized? I think it's the latter, and it certainly projects a path out of this situation.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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The article said they get the hashes from some government entity. Perhaps it is available from there.

You mean the NCMEC? They have the hashes, yes, but they won't just give them out.

They do, after signing serveral NDAs. There was an article here few days ago describing the process as a small hosting operator.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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Is Apple's approach even likely to catch any pedophiles? Seems to me at most it would succeed in keeping such photos from Apple devices, which is perhaps good for their public image, but does nothing to catch predators?

It is very public now that Apple will scan for such pictures, so how many pedophiles will keep them on their phones?

Re: Scanning “private” content

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> Child pornography and other types of sexual abuse of children are unquestionably heinous crimes; those who participate in them should be caught and severely punished.

Have you seen an article that, say, criticizes prison system and needs to start with a reminder than killing people is wrong? Definitely a strange sight. This looks like Soviet era prefaces about the decisions of latest CPSU congress and some relevant opinions of comrade Brezhnev that were expected to be found in any decently sized publication, whether it was a material science textbook, or a paper on Babylonians. It doesn't matter what you think, just do the required dance.

This might seem as nitpicking, but that preemptive display of obedience is the very thing that allows the likes of Apple and its customers to use the pretext successfully.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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The scanning is not done in iCloud.

But does the location really matter? At this rate its cloud service providers up next.

Cloud providers already do scanning. Which is fine - it's their hardware, and their service terms.

That is vastly different to a device purchased by a consumer, deciding to do something that the consumer has no control over, which may cause irreparable harm to the consumer in the case of a bug or false positive.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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> Child pornography and other types of sexual abuse of children are unquestionably heinous crimes; those who participate in them should be caught and severely punished. Have you seen an article that, say, criticizes prison system and needs to start with a reminder than killing people is wrong? Definitely a strange sight. This looks like Soviet era prefaces about the decisions of latest CPSU congress and some relevant…

CSAM is just a very touchy subject (pun not intended) because people really loose their shit easily if you mismanage your words. It's kind of weird actually, no other crime can set people off so badly. And in the age of online witch hunting, well... I get why the author does it.
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