Is there any way to use this information to better protect one's self?
Breakthrough Cases May Be a Bigger Problem Than You’ve Been Told
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I think the most important advantage of vaccines is that you get them (J&J aside) twice, which helps build long term protection. Which is why it's recommended to get a single dose of a vaccine if you caught covid, bringing you up to two exposures as well.
Vaccine manufacturers are stating that people should probably get a third dose as an additional booster. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/moderna-says-a-3...
Feels a lot like learning through spaced repetition
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sweden "went back to normal" a long time ago. Their Covid deaths rate is near zero. The "it's bad so we need to x" reflex, where x is any of masking mandates, social distancing, or especially take kids out of school, is anti-science and anti-human.
White exurban Atlanta (Randolph County) went back to normal as well, and now they are closing school because of a covid outbreak. I guess there isn't yet enough Delta variant in Sweden to make a difference. That, or the Swedish practice adequate mitigation (social distancing and masking).
I think you probably meant Cobb County, GA.
Randolph County, GA is farther away from Atlanta (~170 miles) than Chattanooga, TN (~120 miles). And as of 2010, Randolph County, GA was 61.8% black.
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#44Is there any way to use this information to better protect one's self?
In terms of self protection nothing has changed. Get vaccinated if you haven't done so yet. If you have any treatable co-morbid risk factor conditions such as obesity or hypovitaminosis D then take steps to resolve those.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
White exurban Atlanta (Randolph County) went back to normal as well, and now they are closing school because of a covid outbreak. I guess there isn't yet enough Delta variant in Sweden to make a difference. That, or the Swedish practice adequate mitigation (social distancing and masking).
I think you probably meant Cobb County, GA. Randolph County, GA is farther away from Atlanta (~170 miles) than Chattanooga, TN (~120 miles). And as of 2010, Randolph County, GA was 61.8% black.
You are probably right. I mean the one near Marietta.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the risk of vaccine injury? If the percentage chance of serious vaccine injury is many times less than the chance of somewhat serious covid or long covid... a logical person would take the vaccine. If you just had covid and had a mild or moderate case, yes I could accept not getting a vaccine. What i'm talking about is moreso that people should get vaccine immunity, and then get the delta so that we don't fall…
Death, in the case of some younger (mostly women) people and the AZ vaccine. Canada and other countries literally don't use it for the reason, I believe the US hasn't certified it either. The Pfizer vaccine has been linked to some heart issues but mostly minor and with far less frequency. (For the record, I got Pfizer)
You realize that everything is a probability right?
There are people who choke and die on Hot Dogs every year. So there is a "risk of death from hot dogs"
Yet most reasonable people would not really care.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spoken like someone who didn't die. Also ghoulish beyond belief.
So far 99.86% of Swedes didn't die of COVID-19. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
How many have permanently reduced lung function, vascular disease or are living with long covid?
The death rate isn't the only metric, especially now with the vaccine.
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The science on this is clear, please update your stance. Natural immunity is not as protective as vaccine induced immunity. It is in fact 2.3x more likely that you will get reinfected while unvaccinated, and a stronger immune response from the vaccine means fewer people end up hospitalized. See: > Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.ht…
From your link: > these findings cannot be used to infer causation Do you have more data to support your claims?
Not knowing the mechanism by which something happens doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm not sure what you're asking.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Death, in the case of some younger (mostly women) people and the AZ vaccine. Canada and other countries literally don't use it for the reason, I believe the US hasn't certified it either. The Pfizer vaccine has been linked to some heart issues but mostly minor and with far less frequency. (For the record, I got Pfizer)
I think he meant to ask about rates. The term risk is slightly ambiguous. Death or long term disability is the risk of Covid. The rates of those outcomes are extremely higher for the actual disease. I Feel like a lot of people are falling into a “Both sides” or “fair and balanced” type trap by over indexing on that in theory the outcome could be the same, while ignoring the elephant in the room that the odds are vast…
> The rates of those outcomes are extremely higher for the actual disease.
But the risk of catching the disease is less than 100%. So you need to weigh the risk of the vaccine versus your risk of catching the disease AND dying.
Do the probability of negative outcomes of AZ for women 20-40 versus the probability of catching Covid during a given timeframe AND dying for that same age group.
There's a reason many countries don't use AZ, and that some who do used it only for older patients. Canada for example doesn't even use AZ anymore. I believe it's still not approved for use in the US either. This isn't some conspiracy, lots of countries have highlighted the risks and don't use the vaccine.
Also this isn't an anti-vaxx post (I literally have 2 doses of Pfizer), it's a realistic post about the risks.
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Yes. The economic aspect has figured into calculations but there’s been no transparency around that fact. The news media are the worst in this regard. For those of us with very high risk loved ones who refuse to accept any facts that aren’t broadcast in full force through the usual dumbed down news outlets which I won’t name directly, it’s been a horrifyingly stressful month.
the usual dumbed down news outlets You mean NPR where recently Atul Gawande was calling the pandemic a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" and urged everyone to take the vaccine? He's right in a way, being vaccinated keeps you out of hospital, but it won't prevent you that much from catching the disease and developing post-covid syndrome. And you can still spread the virus in your community.
Not naming names, but it’s easy to be left with the impression that if you are vaccinated and wear a mask, and your social circle are all vaccinated, that there is negligible risk. The media as a whole have not done much to rectify this false impression though they’ve chosen their words carefully to avoid being responsible for such misunderstandings. It’s frustrating to say the least. Reminds me of “Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.”