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‘A Form of Brainwashing’: China Remakes Hong Kong

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Re: ‘A Form of Brainwashing’: China Remakes Hong Kong

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Post by dillondoyle »

danrocks wrote: post #8

I live in Hong Kong. Arrived here right when the second wave of protests started, in 2018. The speed with which China is changing the face of the city since then has been incredible, if disheartening. In a mere three years, we went from having a free press, district council elections, a vibrant online community, a combative but reasonably effective LegCo. All that is gone. Head over to the South China Morning Post an…

I wish you luck.

I hope the UK visa (and other safe havens?) is quick & easy enough?

I read an article the other day that CCP is not surprisingly taking advantage to get party members (e.g. spies) in so I really hope that doesn't um up the process.

The US is making this mistake with Afghanis but seems like there is enough political pressure now that at least we're getting them to a safer intermediary country. Not quick enough though.

It's our moral responsibility, just as it is UK's after their colonization and then abdication of power.

Re: ‘A Form of Brainwashing’: China Remakes Hong Kong

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Post by dirtyid »

SPBS wrote: post #16

The targeting of the education system is insidious. Hong Kong youths may be known for being outspoken about democracy today, but Hong Kong youths tomorrow will become passionate about the CCP. We are seeing a turning point in history.

>The targeting of the education system is insidious.

The rise in HK liberal values among youth itself was engineered via "insidious" introduction of political education by UK to influence the city's overton window post handover. Curriculum under colonial rule was much more apolitical. Hence why PRC tried so hard to introduce patriotic education to counter such influence. CCP knows better than anyone that education is the greatest propaganda tool of them all. There was early recognition that new generations of HKers would be lost to "foreign" influence ~10 years ago when HK perception of Mainland was highest. Culture war are long wars. The situationw as never tenable. Whether it's insidious brainwashing or mental decolonialzation is matter of perspective, but propaganda works. The HK youths of tomorrow will be sympathetic to PRC / One Country interests. Which for a Chinese city is arguably the way things ought to be.

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Post by alentist »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #32
TeeMassive wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taiwan used to be an autocracy too yet turned itself into a liberal democracy. At least "right wing" autocrats have goals, albeit misguided ones, and power is a mean to an end; but communist are obsessed by power and power alone.

>At least "right wing" autocrats have goals, albeit misguided ones, and power is a mean to an end; but communist are obsessed by power and power alone. I don't think that's true at all. Most of the Middle-Eastern dictators are "right wing" and have no goal apart from seizing and holding onto power. On the communist side, while that would be the case for many leaders, both Ho Chi Minh and Fidel Castro come to mind as…

> both Ho Chi Minh and Fidel Castro come to mind as exceptions

What do you mean?

Re: ‘A Form of Brainwashing’: China Remakes Hong Kong

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Post by PikachuEXE »

The security laws are sometimes called "public toilet laws" in local forums: they cover so broad in terms of behaviour and apply to everyone (not just on the planet the whole Universe).

I live in Hong Kong for over 3X years.

Feel free to ask me questions about Hong Kong (I am monitoring replies via RSS feed).

Re: ‘A Form of Brainwashing’: China Remakes Hong Kong

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Post by danrocks »

wumaodang wrote: post #36
danrocks wrote: post #8

I live in Hong Kong. Arrived here right when the second wave of protests started, in 2018. The speed with which China is changing the face of the city since then has been incredible, if disheartening. In a mere three years, we went from having a free press, district council elections, a vibrant online community, a combative but reasonably effective LegCo. All that is gone. Head over to the South China Morning Post an…

The city was almost destroyed in 2019. Remember the molotov cocktails? The petrol bombs? The universities that turned into war zones? The vandalism of all kinds of public property? I don't like many of the things the Hong Kong government is doing, but I can understand why they feel they need to do it.

I wouldn't bother replying due to your submission history, but I will. The city was not "almost destroyed" in 2019. There were months-long protests with hundreds of thousands of people, and they only became violent after the government saw the need to repress violently instead of negotiating. Remember the Yuen Long attacks? The triads brought from Shenzhen? Legislators all in white saluting the gangs before they attacked people who were not armed? That's what caused the violence.

The Hong Kong government isn't doing anything. It's all the CPG.

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Post by danrocks »

vgatherps wrote: post #31
danrocks wrote: post #8

I live in Hong Kong. Arrived here right when the second wave of protests started, in 2018. The speed with which China is changing the face of the city since then has been incredible, if disheartening. In a mere three years, we went from having a free press, district council elections, a vibrant online community, a combative but reasonably effective LegCo. All that is gone. Head over to the South China Morning Post an…

Similar situation here. Moved here a bit more recently than you, national security law became a thing after I arrived, and it’s been more and more aggressively enforced since. If you’re leaving to the US, can I ask how you’re going about it? My email is in my profile if you don’t want to post here. I’m trying to leave as well but my fiancée is facing what looks like a year or two long immigration process. It’s a bit…

I am actually relocating to another Asian country, not to the US. I totally agree the US has pledged support but right now with zero practical effect.

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Post by danrocks »

dirtyid wrote: post #42
SPBS wrote: post #16

The targeting of the education system is insidious. Hong Kong youths may be known for being outspoken about democracy today, but Hong Kong youths tomorrow will become passionate about the CCP. We are seeing a turning point in history.

>The targeting of the education system is insidious. The rise in HK liberal values among youth itself was engineered via "insidious" introduction of political education by UK to influence the city's overton window post handover. Curriculum under colonial rule was much more apolitical. Hence why PRC tried so hard to introduce patriotic education to counter such influence. CCP knows better than anyone that education is…

You have zero data to back up what you just said. Zero.

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Post by [deleted] »

guardiangod wrote: post #27
cletus wrote: post #7

So here's a fun fact about the "security" laws China forced down Hong Kong's gullet recently: they apply to everyone on the planet. They're vague and "subversion" pretty much includes anything you want to include. It's anything that makes the Chinese government or Chinese officials look bad, basically. So, if you're not even a citizen of China and you're sitting in Europe or the USA and you make some critical post ab…

1. The 'princess' of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, was transferring flight in Canada when she was arrested on behalf of US. 2. China realizes this is a serious advantage and want to arrest foreign dissidents when they transfer flights in China. But no one transfers flight in any Chinese territories except in...Hong Kong, with its international airport. 3. China pressured the HK government to pass a security law that allows H…

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