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Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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This really is something Tim needs to address before he again stands on stage and give lip service to Privacy with a capital P. We also need hardball journalists to start asking Tim these tough questions instead of fawning over AirPods And we need employees to start demanding this internally

I think we are all throwing wrong questions at wrong entities. What we should ask is what the hell is going on and what is forcing everyone to implement backdoors in this organized manners.

China. Specifically, gradual capitulation to China.

"Apple's earnings for Greater China in Q2 2021 were up 87.5% from this time last year, to $17.7 billion. During its latest earnings call, Apple has announced dramatically increased revenues from Greater China for the three months ending March, 2021."

China has cracked down hard on domestic Internet companies over the past few weeks (deliberately crushing their tech stock market to rein in these companies and enforce governmental data surveillance/control). They're not going to leave Apple out.

Apple literally cannot lose that market. Its market cap would be halved. Saying they're going after child abuse in the US using a new algorithm is the perfect cover for gradual entry into enabling mass surveillance for China. No one can argue with the child abuse use case, but there will be plenty of consternation when this is used to scan for messages critical of Xi and the boys.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

#42
post #10

Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. Given the lack of an explicit statement on Apple's part and their history regarding E2EE backups (this article, and other statements). It seems really unlikely to me that Apple will enable E2EE backups. Under E2EE, assuming the device key is randomly generated, if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose…

4th option.

A user provided key, not derived from the password.

Chrome uses (used?) this for History encryption, etc.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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post #41
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we are all throwing wrong questions at wrong entities. What we should ask is what the hell is going on and what is forcing everyone to implement backdoors in this organized manners.

China. Specifically, gradual capitulation to China. "Apple's earnings for Greater China in Q2 2021 were up 87.5% from this time last year, to $17.7 billion. During its latest earnings call, Apple has announced dramatically increased revenues from Greater China for the three months ending March, 2021." China has cracked down hard on domestic Internet companies over the past few weeks (deliberately crushing their tech…

It’s really sad how right you are. Never admitted it to myself yet.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, Apple is definitely not going to secretly enable end-to-end encryption without announcing it. If this client side photo scanning thing is part of an ongoing plan to eventually enable end-to-end encryption of iCloud, then Apple made a huge blunder. They should have waited until end to end encryption was ready first so that they could announce it simultaneously.

Or, get the contentious part out of the way so that your E2EE announcement isn’t overshadowed. I don’t know how much I believe that, though.

What is the point of end-to-end encryption if the snitch for objectionable content lives on the device?

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

#45

I was patiently waiting for the M1 16in MacBook Pro to come out. After reading all these revelations, I am now considering not buying the new MacBook Pro and instead, just stick with Linux.

I picked the perfect time to order a Framework laptop. Really hoping it holds up.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

#46
post #10

Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. Given the lack of an explicit statement on Apple's part and their history regarding E2EE backups (this article, and other statements). It seems really unlikely to me that Apple will enable E2EE backups. Under E2EE, assuming the device key is randomly generated, if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose…

An obvious solution would be to allow third-party storage services where you can dump your device data pre-encrypted and restore from those services. Only you would have the key. It isn't hard to implement.

The hard part would be getting the US security apparatus to allow it. ALL major storage providers DON'T support end-to-end encryption for this reason. Not Google. Not Microsoft. Not Apple. Not Dropbox. Isn't this interesting?

Furthermore, talk of supporting end-to-end encryption is basically NOT in the Overton window in these companies as far as I know. Discussion of it is met by silence from management. It is weird when you begin to see the spider webs of power in society.

All those people positing that it this is an effort by Apple to push for end-to-end encryption are either disingenuous or wrong headed. If Apple even thought about end-to-end encryption, the whole US government would come down on Apple like a ton of bricks.

Apple has shown no recent indication of even leaning in this direction. Not only does Apple not directly support end-to-end encrypted backup on iOS devices to third parties, it precludes it from happening. You are stuck backing up to your Mac or jailbreaking.

EDIT: There seem to be a few small movements in this area. Dropbox has their Vault with pin based protection. Seems incredibly and intentionally weak.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

#47

I was patiently waiting for the M1 16in MacBook Pro to come out. After reading all these revelations, I am now considering not buying the new MacBook Pro and instead, just stick with Linux.

I am an app developer who was thinking of upgrading to the next M1 Mac mini coming out later this year. For my work, I pretty much need an Apple hardware. However after this whole privacy debacle, I have started looking into Hackintosh and whether I can build one to for building my apps. If anyone has experience with developing for iOS/MacOS on hackintosh, please let me know your experience.

The privacy issues with apple pretty much lie within their software. Going hackintosh isn't going to move you further away from the issues you have.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

#48
post #10

Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. Given the lack of an explicit statement on Apple's part and their history regarding E2EE backups (this article, and other statements). It seems really unlikely to me that Apple will enable E2EE backups. Under E2EE, assuming the device key is randomly generated, if you have one device (as many users do) and you lose…

>Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups.

For me it seems that latest changes do not change anything, FBI will still object with the same reasons as in the past, because they will have a legal obtained warrant and they need the user backups/phone content. I do not see Apple fighting this in courts especially now when they also have a big fight vs Epic and a fight vs right to repair.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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post #41
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we are all throwing wrong questions at wrong entities. What we should ask is what the hell is going on and what is forcing everyone to implement backdoors in this organized manners.

China. Specifically, gradual capitulation to China. "Apple's earnings for Greater China in Q2 2021 were up 87.5% from this time last year, to $17.7 billion. During its latest earnings call, Apple has announced dramatically increased revenues from Greater China for the three months ending March, 2021." China has cracked down hard on domestic Internet companies over the past few weeks (deliberately crushing their tech…

These new features both launch US-only, however.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained (2020)

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China. Specifically, gradual capitulation to China. "Apple's earnings for Greater China in Q2 2021 were up 87.5% from this time last year, to $17.7 billion. During its latest earnings call, Apple has announced dramatically increased revenues from Greater China for the three months ending March, 2021." China has cracked down hard on domestic Internet companies over the past few weeks (deliberately crushing their tech…

It’s really sad how right you are. Never admitted it to myself yet.

Why sad? It seems to me this is the only thing to expect from a for-profit corporation under these circumstances.

I don't really see how anybody could expect something different, specially here.

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