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All that is wrong with the Recruitment Industry

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Re: All that is wrong with the Recruitment Industry

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Post by Peroni »

hr wrote: post #37

'there are plenty of good recruiters out their however there are infinitely more bad recruiters...' I know there are plenty of others out there just as fed up with the self-inflicted negative attitude towards the industry, the difference is I am making my opinion heard.' Perhaps you should provide equal time and write about good recruiters and the value they bring to candidates and companies alike. Maybe "All that's…

Perhaps you should provide equal time and write about good recruiters...

No is the short answer. The purpose of the blog is to expose the flaws in the industry and motivate people to start making changes. The mere existence of the industry is testament to the fact that it's a necessary service and it wouldn't succeed if some people weren't doing a good job. A multi-billion pound industry doesn't need any more champions.

Re: All that is wrong with the Recruitment Industry

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Post by Isofarro »

I notice Peroni covers the ground between the recruiter and the employer (and for that, thank you); but is very quiet about what's going on between the recruiter and the target. I'm disappointed by this, because it affects actual developers in a very negative way. The constant unsolicited intrusions despite requests not to are annoying.

And there seems to be no way out other than delete everything on the web that makes any sort of statement that I am a developer with skills in {KEYWORD1}.

I currently have no desk-phone in my current role. This is deliberate. I do not want to be cold-called by recruiters. And yet, that doesn't work. They continue to wheedle their way through our receptionist ("being discreet") trying to get hold of me. Including one fishing for more information by pretending to have a package addressed to me that needs to be delivered at a specific unspecified time.

This continual harrassment is the same as spam. Unsolicited commercial approach that only benefits the sender. And so in my eyes, these recruiters are no better than spammers. Just more annoying because they don't limit themselves to email.

They are on par with the plethora of dodgy mobile phone renewal operators.

Re: All that is wrong with the Recruitment Industry

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Post by pavel_lishin »

hr wrote: post #28
Peroni wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the relevance of the username! I'm not aware of any particular recruitment forums, mainly because I avoid them like the plague however the general consensus is that a lot of coders, particularly the more experienced ones are arrogant and self-centred. Most recruiters don't realise that the attitude they face is primarily based on the fact that coders don't like dealing with recruiters.

Thanks, I've been an executive recruiter for 15 years and only read HN because of the thought leaders who write here. I recruit and work with high level execs who actually understand and respect the value of a good recruiter. Your posts are interest generating because they showcase the low underbelly of the industry and not the well respected recruiter. Still thanks for writing.

> thought leaders

Bingo!

Re: All that is wrong with the Recruitment Industry

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Post by bluedanieru »

ZoFreX wrote: post #24
gaius wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he means a boson.

Doesn't work either - either bosons exist, and are plentiful, or there are none of them. Being rarer than one is either not special, or impossible!

What? Bosons, such as a photon, definitely exist in the sense that they are part of the Standard Model of particle physics. They are as 'real' as electrons or quarks or, in some sense, a table.

Re: All that is wrong with the Recruitment Industry

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Post by pavel_lishin »

hr wrote: post #38
Peroni wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recruit and work with high level execs who actually understand and respect the value of a good recruiter. The difference between executive search & volume recruitment is chalk & cheese. The two are mutually exclusive. Your posts are interest generating because they showcase the low underbelly of the industry and not the well respected recruiter. As I stated categorically in all my posts, there are plenty of good re…

Perhaps you should provide equal time and write about good recruiters and the value they bring to candidates and companies alike. Maybe "All that's right with the recruitment industry" I fail to see how speaking negatively about an industry helps promote it's value.

It would only make sense to devote equal time to the good recruiters if they were 50% of the general population of recruiters.

Re: All that is wrong with the Recruitment Industry

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Post by Peroni »

Isofarro wrote: post #42

I notice Peroni covers the ground between the recruiter and the employer (and for that, thank you); but is very quiet about what's going on between the recruiter and the target. I'm disappointed by this, because it affects actual developers in a very negative way. The constant unsolicited intrusions despite requests not to are annoying. And there seems to be no way out other than delete everything on the web that mak…

...but is very quiet about what's going on between the recruiter and the target.

When you say target, I assume you mean the candidate or potential employee? If so, I do reference how I think people such as yourself can help reduce the impact recruiters have on your day to day activity. Take a look at some of my previous posts.

And so in my eyes, these recruiters are no better than spammers. Just more annoying because they don't limit themselves to email.

That's an excellent comparison as that is exactly how we are generally viewed and rightly so. I've known recruiters to literally wait all day outside a companies building with a picture from linkedin in hand, waiting for a specific developer to walk out and approach them out of the blue on the street.

Re: All that is wrong with the Recruitment Industry

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Post by hr »

Peroni wrote: post #41
hr wrote: post #37

'there are plenty of good recruiters out their however there are infinitely more bad recruiters...' I know there are plenty of others out there just as fed up with the self-inflicted negative attitude towards the industry, the difference is I am making my opinion heard.' Perhaps you should provide equal time and write about good recruiters and the value they bring to candidates and companies alike. Maybe "All that's…

Perhaps you should provide equal time and write about good recruiters... No is the short answer. The purpose of the blog is to expose the flaws in the industry and motivate people to start making changes. The mere existence of the industry is testament to the fact that it's a necessary service and it wouldn't succeed if some people weren't doing a good job. A multi-billion pound industry doesn't need any more champio…

'...purpose of the blog is to expose the flaws in the industry...'

Judging from the activity there's plenty of recognition of the industries flaws. Unfortunately, negative press is more interesting to read.

'...expose the flaws in the industry and motivate people to start making changes.'

Sooo you propose 'dark' without 'light'....'up' without 'down'?

Re: All that is wrong with the Recruitment Industry

#48

Post by hr »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #43
hr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, I've been an executive recruiter for 15 years and only read HN because of the thought leaders who write here. I recruit and work with high level execs who actually understand and respect the value of a good recruiter. Your posts are interest generating because they showcase the low underbelly of the industry and not the well respected recruiter. Still thanks for writing.

> thought leaders Bingo!

If only the bad recruiters are calling you what do you think that says about you?
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