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Rep. Takano Introduces Legislation to Reduce the Standard Workweek to 32 Hours

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"I’d Say, In A Given Week, I Probably Only Do About Fifteen Minutes Of Real, Actual Work.” -- Peter, Office Space

I've worked in lots of offices and watched people, especially "important" ones. It's fun to watch. They're so busy the strain is enormous. But if you pay attention, they spend lots of time calling their sister, talking to the Schwann's man.. "I work so hard I never leave work" but little actual work is done, but much is made of the number of hours spent there.

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post #14

Takano and other well meaning legislators reveal they have zero clue how economies work or how wealth is created. It is fairly terrifying that these sorts have become so influential.

Can you explain your idea further? Perhaps with data about the percentage of economic value which is the direct product of hours worked which cannot be worked by other people? Link it to some attempt at an argument that, despite high profits and the disparities we've seen between worker pay and productivity, companies are simultaneously at 100% utilization with no slack capacity and cannot possibly afford to hire additional workers?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I've been trying to tell people for awhile. In "knowledge work" areas I suspect most people work around 5-6 hours a day and the rest is spent doing whatever other stuff they do. My current job I only work 35 hours a week and it's great. They pay us for an hour lunch basically and I just take it at the end of my day, thus shortening my day to 7 hours.

Maybe for menial knowledge work. During crunch time, nights and weekends get completely filled with work.

Did you intend to use the word menial? I'd say it applies much better to tech workers who are subject to "crunch time" with any kind of regularity, or who lack the ability to say "no" to weekend or evening work, than to the rest.

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I work 80 hours per week. I do what I love so it doesn’t feel like work. By doing this I am 40 hours ahead every week than most everyone else and the output and results definitely show.

And? What does that have to do with changing what qualifies as a full time job?

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I work 80 hours per week. I do what I love so it doesn’t feel like work. By doing this I am 40 hours ahead every week than most everyone else and the output and results definitely show.

I've worked with people who have this mindset. Their work product definitely shows that more isn't better. They had higher defect ratios and in general lower output per hour. With one exception, they were trying to make up for being less productive by spending more time creating the appearance of work rather than taking time out to recharge and doing better work in the same hours as others.

This pattern doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a liability.

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Why 32? Why not 22? Why not 10? What's the reasoning here.

A 4 day workweek (8 * 4 = 32) to distribute the last few decades of productivity gains [1] to the working class. Very similar to how unions were how the working class received a weekend [2]. Why would we not expand the weekend/time for leisure and other non work related time as productivity increases? [1] https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/15558/producti... [2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/se…

I doubt anyone is hung up on a specific number. The policy goal is to replace one day of labor with one day of consumption or leisure.

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#47

I'd be perfectly happy with 35 hours, so that an eight hour workday is actually eight hours and not nine because your lunch break doesn't count.

It's weird how "9 to 5" is the phrase, but it is, more often, "8 to 5" for a nominally eight-hour workday.

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Decades ago the U.S. tied healthcare to employment. It had some big positives at the time. I think it has proven to have more negatives as time has unfolded. Here is one of them. If you reduce hours per worker by, say, 10% you just pay each worker 10% less and hire 10% more workers, right? It's not so simple. If you try to cut the health insurance premium of each worker by 10% the policy becomes unattractive. If you…

It’s slightly worse than that.

If you have 90 units of work to be done you might hire 9 workers at 10 units each. If the standard work goes down by 10%, you now need 10 workers at 9 units each. Your workers have increased by 11.1% (given by 1-1/(1-0.1))

A reduction from 40 to 32 would reduce hours per worker by 20% but increase workers and total health care costs by 25%.

Re: Rep. Takano Introduces Legislation to Reduce the Standard Workweek to 32 Hours

#49

I work 80 hours per week. I do what I love so it doesn’t feel like work. By doing this I am 40 hours ahead every week than most everyone else and the output and results definitely show.

Do you mind expanding on what you’re doing day-to-day? How many of those hours are actually productive? Are you on any drugs to help you keep your energy up and/or sleep? How many hours do you sleep, on average? Do you have any social life, or anything else going on outside of work?

Re: Rep. Takano Introduces Legislation to Reduce the Standard Workweek to 32 Hours

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I've been wondering what stops politicians from gaming the democratic system by introducing legislation that has short-term benefits for the electorate and long-term negative consequences for the country as a whole. I know that I wouldn't vote for someone like that, but I can't think of many people around me who wouldn't.

I suppose many would think of it this way: "what's good for the long-term future of the country is good for my kids, but that's not going to help them much if I can't pay the next month's rent, or if I have to work so much that I never get to see them and raise them properly. So why not vote for someone who will help me get more money and spend more time with my kids now?"

I mean, it's absolutely mind-blowing that there isn't an entire line around the corner of politicians pushing for higher minimum wage, free education, free healthcare, basic income, etc. There are obviously some voices supporting all those measures, but I am surprised those individuals are not more popular. I suppose this is a very basic political science question, but I don't have any background in this field and today's topic once again made me wonder what's stopping us from adopting that and many other similar measures. Surely, those who stand to benefit something from it in the short-term outnumber the people who are going to be negatively impacted?

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