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Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Does anybody find it strange how there's never a single post by man in female dominated industry ? Yet i see headlines about 'women in tech', almost every day. And please can we call it IT, not 'tech'. As a dev, 'tech' always sounded as though you were doing things much harder than IT.

Network admins and software developers have different goals, and pretty much every company bigger than three had us in different sections of the org chart. Calling it all “IT” will be misunderstood.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Every comment so far has been downvoted, I have some internet points to spend.

> My first thought was someone had mailed me anthrax.

That's your first thought? The harassment later described sounds insane - if you are receiving death threats call the police, open a case. It'll strengthen your position if you later need to go to court. What you don't do is post about it online, to let your attacker know they were successful.

Also, don't doxx your own address. If you need to receive mail and post an address online, there are forwarding services - some even offer to search the mail.

I somewhat find the claim incredible though - if you honestly believe you are in immediate danger, most people do something about it.

> Most of us, however, experience constant microaggressions.

The term 'microaggression' doesn't make sense to me, if it's aggression then call it out as such. If it's not meaningful enough to be called out, then you need a better coping mechanism.

> [..] it truly feels like the cancerous misogynistic tumors in our industry in particular run so deep that we may never be able to bisect them all.

Either Silicon Valley produces the worst work culture out there (and homelessness), or I would suggest that you find yourself in a bubble. I think as a general rule, if you believe to have almost entirely evil intent, then you don't understand them or have some internal bias. People generally don't try or believe themselves to be the villains of their own stories.

> Listen to and believe women.

You go from wanting equality to special treatment. I treat all people with scepticism, but they are innocent until proven guilty. That's how justice works.

In general I feel sad for the author. Anything you try hard enough to find, you will eventually find. I hope instead of trying to find sexism in tech industry, the author tries to find happiness.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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post #42

Every comment so far has been downvoted, I have some internet points to spend. > My first thought was someone had mailed me anthrax. That's your first thought? The harassment later described sounds insane - if you are receiving death threats call the police, open a case. It'll strengthen your position if you later need to go to court. What you don't do is post about it online, to let your attacker know they were succ…

Looks like you're the prototype of the spoiled brat that populates the male part of the tech industry. You think when you're able to solve a technical problem, you're able to solve every problem. That's the common combination of arrogance & ignorance so many other dudes are sporting.

It got boring long ago.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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post #42

Every comment so far has been downvoted, I have some internet points to spend. > My first thought was someone had mailed me anthrax. That's your first thought? The harassment later described sounds insane - if you are receiving death threats call the police, open a case. It'll strengthen your position if you later need to go to court. What you don't do is post about it online, to let your attacker know they were succ…

How do you think it would go showing anonymous death threats to the police? I can tell you because we’ve tried! Not well. They laugh you out of the station.

You think giving advice to “not doxx yourself” is useful advice? It is not. We are hyper aware of our safety and still have to be afraid of unknown creeps - anonymous trolls who we can’t “do something about”.

“I hope instead of trying to find sexism in tech industry”

You can’t go 1 week without hearing about sexism in our industry. Being in denial about it because it doesn’t impact you personally is a predictable and weak move.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

#45

Does anybody find it strange how there's never a single post by man in female dominated industry ? Yet i see headlines about 'women in tech', almost every day. And please can we call it IT, not 'tech'. As a dev, 'tech' always sounded as though you were doing things much harder than IT.

Can you name a "female dominated industry"? I can only come up with industries, where the labor force is dominated by women. But the executive positions are still mostly owned by men.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Substitute race for gender and this argument totally falls apart. If you see a black colleague being treated unfairly and do nothing because you don't want to be seen as an "agitator" or "activist" then you are part of the problem . Full stop. The same goes for women.

There is an interesting face to this coin though, the "don't be a snitch". You're saying "be a snitch". Yes, being a snitch would probably improve the lives of people in lots of places, and yet it does not happen often because it can be destabilizing (despite people not liking the people they could snitch on). Companies do not like this "unknown". They do want to do the right thing, just not via activism/snitching. B…

On a side note: companies usually don't want to do the right thing. They want to be perceived as wanting to do the right thing, while going down the easiest route.

But the easiest route won't cover applying the changes needed for the tech industry to become a place that's not a misogynistic dumpster fire.

Calling out what's wrong and pressing companies to leave the easiest route and actually do something about it will help. And that's — by the way — not snitching. It's called criticism.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Edit: removed. I should take my own advice.

Women discussing their personal experiences is "controversial"? And we "should expect" trolling and harassment and worse? That's exactly the problem. You think that that's normal and acceptable.

For the record, I didn't say any of this. It's not controversial to talk about your experience. It's certainly controversial to generalize your experience across an entire industry, or sex. And it's not acceptable to be harassed, but yes it's normal and not specific to women.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Every comment so far has been downvoted, I have some internet points to spend. > My first thought was someone had mailed me anthrax. That's your first thought? The harassment later described sounds insane - if you are receiving death threats call the police, open a case. It'll strengthen your position if you later need to go to court. What you don't do is post about it online, to let your attacker know they were succ…

How do you think it would go showing anonymous death threats to the police? I can tell you because we’ve tried! Not well. They laugh you out of the station. You think giving advice to “not doxx yourself” is useful advice? It is not. We are hyper aware of our safety and still have to be afraid of unknown creeps - anonymous trolls who we can’t “do something about”. “I hope instead of trying to find sexism in tech indus…

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