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AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by throwawayboise »

selimthegrim wrote: post #38
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, back when Harris and Biden both said they were hesitant to get a vaccine produced under Trump, they kinda set the stage for the dumpster fire we have today.

The point was if he rushed it. The companies delayed their announcement and strengthened the trials so the current Trumpista favorite argument would in theory lose steam.

No. They didn't want Trump to have that "win." It was purely political. The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by selimthegrim »

throwawayboise wrote: post #41
selimthegrim wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point was if he rushed it. The companies delayed their announcement and strengthened the trials so the current Trumpista favorite argument would in theory lose steam.

No. They didn't want Trump to have that "win." It was purely political. The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office.

Do you think if they had announced before the election and Trump had won all the current recalcitrants would be lining up in droves to take it, their concerns about rushing assuaged?

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by briefcomment »

jltsiren wrote: post #40
briefcomment wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious what people find is more likely given this evidence: - 100s of models were done incorrectly, and none even remotely correctly - there is no phenomenon to correctly model Both seem extremely unlikely. Not sure what the alternatives are.

As someone with a background in CS (but not AI/ML) and working in bioinformatics: People with a background in methods like solving problems that are easy to solve with the methods they know. Those are rarely the problems people in biology/medicine want to solve. Some common pitfalls include: * Asking the right questions. * Framing the questions correctly. * Finding computational problems that capture the essence of t…

> first attempts will probably fail

First hundreds of attempts? In your experience, is that a reasonable number?

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by jltsiren »

briefcomment wrote: post #43
jltsiren wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with a background in CS (but not AI/ML) and working in bioinformatics: People with a background in methods like solving problems that are easy to solve with the methods they know. Those are rarely the problems people in biology/medicine want to solve. Some common pitfalls include: * Asking the right questions. * Framing the questions correctly. * Finding computational problems that capture the essence of t…

> first attempts will probably fail First hundreds of attempts? In your experience, is that a reasonable number?

The first attempts made by any particular person are likely to fail. And when many people approach similar problems from similar perspectives, they are likely to make similar mistakes. Give them a few years, and someone will probably figure out what the mistakes were and how to avoid them.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by [deleted] »

briefcomment wrote: post #43
jltsiren wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with a background in CS (but not AI/ML) and working in bioinformatics: People with a background in methods like solving problems that are easy to solve with the methods they know. Those are rarely the problems people in biology/medicine want to solve. Some common pitfalls include: * Asking the right questions. * Framing the questions correctly. * Finding computational problems that capture the essence of t…

> first attempts will probably fail First hundreds of attempts? In your experience, is that a reasonable number?

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Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by cweill »

wesleywt wrote: post #32

As a biologist who started working in ML, I see exactly the same issues in the field I am working in. I am spending most of my time fixing bad while others just use the public datasets as is. Maybe I am wasting my time because they are in the top journals and I am not.

The hardest part about ML is understanding the domain. I agree with Jeremy Howard on this, that it's easier to teach a domain expert to do ML than to teach an ML expert the domain. I think you are on the right path.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by throwawayboise »

selimthegrim wrote: post #42
throwawayboise wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. They didn't want Trump to have that "win." It was purely political. The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office.

Do you think if they had announced before the election and Trump had won all the current recalcitrants would be lining up in droves to take it, their concerns about rushing assuaged?

All of them? No.

I think some on the left would refuse it because Trump.

I think some on the right would accept it because Trump.

I think some would still be hesitant because their concerns with the vaccines are not political.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by aaaxyz »

nradov wrote: post #20

What ever happened to using AI to diagnose infections based on cough sounds? It seemed like a promising approach. https://news.mit.edu/2020/covid-19-cough-cellphone-detection...

By the time you experience symptoms you've already been contagious for a few days. It's like trying to detect fires by looking for piles of ash.
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