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Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Anybody knows if this is going to affect the release of the remastered Diablo?

Did we learn nothing from Warcraft 3 Remastered? Don't preorder, don't look forward to it. They have to prove it's good, we can't trust anymore. Plus, you know, I'm not buying it because Blizzard is straight up ghoulish.

I'm not going to preorder, but I'm looking forward to it - what they've shown is good, and I think they recognise W3R was a mistake.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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This seems to largely match a lot of the same things that happened with Riot Games over the last couple of years. I am hoping that these actions can help spread awareness of any issues that may be present at Blizzard and past, current, and future employees won't face the same issues. It is a long road to be traveled to get there. I hope that the current WFH situation doesn't detract from the walkout. A lot of the vis…

> is the DFEH out of line, or is the industry just that broken? No chance DEFH is out of line. The tech industry is strongly biased in the favor of white men in my opinion and video games even more so, considering women playing video games only became socially acceptable a few years ago. It's still common for men to talk down to women on video games, to the point where the overwhelming majority of women do not use vo…

> Think about all those men complaining that a video game _dared_ have a female character or even more so, a non-conventionally attractive one gasp. That was in 2018... That's the _average_ person who is making a video game.

What game are you referring to?

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

#43

This seems to largely match a lot of the same things that happened with Riot Games over the last couple of years. I am hoping that these actions can help spread awareness of any issues that may be present at Blizzard and past, current, and future employees won't face the same issues. It is a long road to be traveled to get there. I hope that the current WFH situation doesn't detract from the walkout. A lot of the vis…

> is the DFEH out of line, or is the industry just that broken? No chance DEFH is out of line. The tech industry is strongly biased in the favor of white men in my opinion and video games even more so, considering women playing video games only became socially acceptable a few years ago. It's still common for men to talk down to women on video games, to the point where the overwhelming majority of women do not use vo…

_O_ my god, _who_ cares?

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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> The suit was followed by an outpouring of current and former employees saying they’d been harassed or mistreated at the company. I never understand why in the world we currently live in there are so many people willing to be silent for so long. Weinstein did his crap for years, the US gymnastics assaults went on for years. This probably isn't a popular opinion...but when victims choose to remain silent they are com…

You don't have to be a victim to do something about it. When any of us remain silent when we witness or hear about abuse we are allowing other people to be victimized now and in the future.

I couldn't agree more...but many people chose to remain completely silent when abuse happens. The culture surrounding this has changed a lot in the last 20 years yet we keep having these types of events that people pile on only after one person comes forward. Then all of a sudden it's a pattern of abuse and a way bigger issue to fix.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they'll introduce "scabs" simply because it would be a marketing _disaster_. However, I work in the industry, and I think you'd be shocked by how replaceable American developers are. Huge amounts of artistic labour _is_ done cheaply, and in relatively decent quality, oversees in countries like South Korea, China, Japan, and to a lesser extent, Thailand. Here in Canada, we have a thriving industry that i…

To my mind, the hardest part of scabbing a game studio is picking up where dev teams left off. Game engines and pipelines are savage beasts, and often heavily customized and under-documented (everybody using them "just knows how they work;" internal cultural knowledge and on-the-job training are the standard operating procedure). You'll need a particular type of developer or artist to come up to speed quickly on the…

I've been a part of teams that were hired to "finish" certain major products, and I definitely agree with your perspective.

We usually ended up ripping out much of the original development code because it was too brittle/broken/undocumented to bother continuing forward with. Rewriting from scratch was often faster and had more predictable results.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

#46

Good, walkouts are an effective way to drive organizational change. We had massive walkouts at Wayfair due to our policy of selling furniture to US Customs concentration camps that held tens of thousands of children. Only took Wayfair a few years to somewhat change their policy in a roundabout and nondescript way, but at least some movement took place.

US customs never had concentration camps holding children, they did have places for holding illegal immigrants though.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Man, how terrible must their working conditions be that they talk about what day, instead of what hour, they will leave for home.

As much as I do support them, Blizzard employees frequently strike me as obsessed with social media perception and staying woke rather than doing what's right even if it is inconvenient for them personally. The ones who are actually affected don't work at Blizzard anymore. The time to walk out was _years ago_. There's no chance it was wide-spread knowledge that one of the executives was assaulting people at work and…

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Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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This seems to largely match a lot of the same things that happened with Riot Games over the last couple of years. I am hoping that these actions can help spread awareness of any issues that may be present at Blizzard and past, current, and future employees won't face the same issues. It is a long road to be traveled to get there. I hope that the current WFH situation doesn't detract from the walkout. A lot of the vis…

> is the DFEH out of line, or is the industry just that broken? No chance DEFH is out of line. The tech industry is strongly biased in the favor of white men in my opinion and video games even more so, considering women playing video games only became socially acceptable a few years ago. It's still common for men to talk down to women on video games, to the point where the overwhelming majority of women do not use vo…

> The tech industry is strongly biased in the favor of white men

That's debatable. CS was overwhelmingly male and wasn't prestigious until recently.

> video games even more so

I wonder how much of that we can attribute to DOOM. The DOOM devs wanted to make an hyper-violent game centered around Demon and heavy metal, and that reflected in the culture at id (not the violence). And they made a bunch of money which spurred copy-cats and got investors thinking game devs had to look like this to be profitable.

> Think about all those men complaining that a video game _dared_ have a female character or even more so, a non-conventionally attractive one gasp.

Links?

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Weinstein did his crap for years, the US gymnastics assaults went on for years. Both gatekeepers for Hollywood and the Olympics.

Yeah, it's almost like people keep silent because of the power imbalance that leads to the abuse and blaming the weak because they aren't able to stand up to the strong is the wrong thing to do.

They could stand up to the strong, but they choose to go along with it for their own personal reasons (ie, make it in Hollywood or become an Olympic athlete). However even after those things happen the abused continue to keep silent.
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