What I really want to see ported to Haiku is Electron. I don't like Electron itself and feel like its non-native look&feel would pollute Haiku aesthetics, nevertheless Electron would open the doors to Visual Studio Code and Obsidian which are worth a lot.
Haiku Beta 3
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Re: Haiku Beta 3
#42Perhaps I would like to build a dedicated Haiku box.
What is the optimal hardware configuration to run Haiku on bare metal? I don't mean as cheap as possible, I mean as compatible as possible and also rather performant.
The release notes mention nVidia GeForce 6200 - GeForce Go 6400 graphics cards - are these the best for Haiku?
Re: Haiku Beta 3
#43Perhaps I would like to build a dedicated Haiku box. What is the optimal hardware configuration to run Haiku on bare metal? I don't mean as cheap as possible, I mean as compatible as possible and also rather performant. The release notes mention nVidia GeForce 6200 - GeForce Go 6400 graphics cards - are these the best for Haiku?
There are two unofficial and incomplete hardware compatibility lists:
https://sites.google.com/view/haiku-computer-list-beta2
https://besly.de/index.php/en/hardware/unofficel-compatibili... (edit: newer list: https://besly.de/index.php/en/hardware/besly-system-analysis...)
Not really sure what exactly would be optimal, but Haiku's pretty performant on virtually any relatively modern hardware (less than 10 years old and not overly cheap) since it's so light.
Re: Haiku Beta 3
#44I decided to try out Haiku last week. I was positively surprised how fast the whole process was. Installer loaded, system was installed and rebooted in about 20-30 seconds (not accounting for human I/O latency). And this was in a VM with SATA disk backing. Makes you yearn for simpler times.
> Installer loaded, system was installed and rebooted in about 20-30 seconds This was my experience with QNX 6 two decades ago. Installing and booting into its beautiful Photon desktop environment took less time than it took to just boot Windows 2000. > And this was in a VM with SATA disk backing. Believing virtualization always makes things slower is a mistake. Windows XP always booted and worked a lot faster in a V…
Oh, QNX [0]! That was such a great OS, and quite advanced for the times (microkernel, realtime, userland was POSIX complaint etc).
I remember I tried QNX Neutrino sometime in the first half of the 2000's, and it literally booted from a 1.44MB floppy into a UI (Photon), and had a working browser and everything needed to setup an internet connection (back then, this included dialup related stuff).
Of all OSes that could have been, this is the one I am most upset about not succeeding. I know it still exists in some forms, but it's pretty much fringe.
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Re: Haiku Beta 3
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Installer loaded, system was installed and rebooted in about 20-30 seconds This was my experience with QNX 6 two decades ago. Installing and booting into its beautiful Photon desktop environment took less time than it took to just boot Windows 2000. > And this was in a VM with SATA disk backing. Believing virtualization always makes things slower is a mistake. Windows XP always booted and worked a lot faster in a V…
Oh, QNX [0]! That was such a great OS, and quite advanced for the times (microkernel, realtime, userland was POSIX complaint etc). I remember I tried QNX Neutrino sometime in the first half of the 2000's, and it literally booted from a 1.44MB floppy into a UI (Photon), and had a working browser and everything needed to setup an internet connection (back then, this included dialup related stuff). Of all OSes that coul…
What is worth additional mentioning is PhAB (Photon Application Builder). It was a visual (like in Visual Basic) RAD C++ GUI app builder which came bundled with the OS and accompanied by a great tutorial. It was so great, I bloody wish its clone was available for Linux (and Haiku perhaps).
I also miss Photon's visual style. Subjectively, it was the best I've ever seen (and Haiku feels somewhat close to this taste actually). If somebody would offer a bundle of Linux (XFCE, GNOME, KDE) and Windows (10) themes resembling QNX 6 Photon I would buy them for some real money.
Re: Haiku Beta 3
#46I think at this point I'm on the fourth consecutive laptop that this just won't ever boot on. This time, however, it just says "Haiku" on a splash screen and then stops completely. No errors, no debug message window, nothing. (At this point usually someone here insists that I file a bug. Which I won't do because a) I have no useful information to put into a bug report and b) I think after eleven years of this nonsens…
While perhaps not totally helpful, after 25 years of playing with "alternative" operation systems, I would never recommend using a laptop for the purpose.
A spare desktop PC have always been of more value to me, when playing around with lesser used operating systems. Hardware and drivers just work better. A wired ethernet connection is also recommended.
If you don't have the space for a PC, I'll recommend getting an older Intel NUC.
Re: Haiku Beta 3
#47Perhaps I would like to build a dedicated Haiku box. What is the optimal hardware configuration to run Haiku on bare metal? I don't mean as cheap as possible, I mean as compatible as possible and also rather performant. The release notes mention nVidia GeForce 6200 - GeForce Go 6400 graphics cards - are these the best for Haiku?
I run it on a x230 and am happy with the results.
Re: Haiku Beta 3
#48I decided to try out Haiku last week. I was positively surprised how fast the whole process was. Installer loaded, system was installed and rebooted in about 20-30 seconds (not accounting for human I/O latency). And this was in a VM with SATA disk backing. Makes you yearn for simpler times.
> Installer loaded, system was installed and rebooted in about 20-30 seconds This was my experience with QNX 6 two decades ago. Installing and booting into its beautiful Photon desktop environment took less time than it took to just boot Windows 2000. > And this was in a VM with SATA disk backing. Believing virtualization always makes things slower is a mistake. Windows XP always booted and worked a lot faster in a V…
> Believing virtualization always makes things slower is a mistake.
Well, virtualization does make everything slower.
It's just that the boot process ends up quite fast as the virtual machine usually has a much less (and simpler) hardware to initialize at boot, has a simpler BIOS/UEFI, and shorter if any power-on self test. A physical machine can be made to those specs - Intel has done <2s boot from power is applied till a graphical application is visible and fully interactive for automotive back in 2019.
Re: Haiku Beta 3
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's fine to dislike Haiku because it doesn't run on your hardware, but it's pretty ridiculous to assert it isn't an OS because it "can't run on an actual computer". Haiku runs on tons of hardware, including most of the machines I've tried it on, and it probably runs on far more devices than Risc OS ever has/will. Edit: there's literally a massive thread ( https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/computers-compatible-with-hai.…
I think the issue is that most spare computers people have at hand are old laptops, which tend to have really finicky hardware when compared to what desktops usually have.
I'm running it on a x230 and it works great. I actually don't remember it not working on any of my old pcs.
Re: Haiku Beta 3
#50Nvidia support? Something like the old nv driver for X under Unix?