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Post by ipaddr »

cunthorpe wrote: post #10

I think that people need to understand that once they put themselves out there, especially in sex-fueled environments, they’re adding risk to their lives. They put their sex on full display and think “yeah this is totally fine” while it obviously carries some huge societal weight. I’m not justifying their actions, but also don’t be surprised when they happen. The world isn’t perfect yet. I don’t care much about OF, b…

You get more threats posting about Trump pro or con these days.

Using a platform like fansonly allows the star to moderate and use the platform to guard against safety issues. Fansonly is pay only which limits the spam can help identify the crazy.

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Post by vlunkr »

throwmeawaydddy wrote: post #33

Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…

This summarizes my opinion on OF. I'm not sure if it's unethical or predatory, but I'm quite sure that most people posting content there are going to regret it very soon.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by Santosh83 »

ryandrake wrote: post #28
650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

I don't know--as I get older, and see things like this, I can't help but think maybe I'm just turning into an out-of-touch old fart. Maybe norms are simply changing and the next generations are building a better world free of all these stupid taboos and hangups. My ol' grandpa looked at my generation and just didn't understand how we were OK with things like interracial marriage, same sex relationships, drug legaliza…

The world is changing much faster than human psychology can cope with, which is why you're seeing so much of depression and mental health issues everywhere. We would do better to slow down a notch, but that flies against the face of the capitalistic imperative and the atavistic and ridiculous fear that "if we slow down, the bad guy will outrun us", and hence full-steam ahead on every front. If there is collateral damage, even planetary scale, so be it. We'll try to sweep it under the rug as long as we can, and when we can't, we'll let the activists and heroes and do-gooders and scientists work themselves to death solving it for us.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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throwmeawaydddy wrote: post #33

Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…

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Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by SilverRed »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

Have you considered the alternative that this is not an evil which you are unable to control but just another way of living / thinking of sexual content? There is nothing inherently evil about this stuff so why is it terrible that it is becoming more accepted/common?

If in 30 years we live in a society where people post nudes like they do facebook posts, is there anything wrong about this? Could you describe the harm caused which doesn't boil down to attitudes of society?

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by Mandelmus »

ryandrake wrote: post #28
650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

I don't know--as I get older, and see things like this, I can't help but think maybe I'm just turning into an out-of-touch old fart. Maybe norms are simply changing and the next generations are building a better world free of all these stupid taboos and hangups. My ol' grandpa looked at my generation and just didn't understand how we were OK with things like interracial marriage, same sex relationships, drug legaliza…

I don't think I'm merely being a luddite or overly conservative when I say that the exponential rise of parasocial entertainment worries me greatly. There's a rising loneliness epidemic in much of the developed world, and entire industries that profit from selling a virtual simulacrum of the experience of hanging out with friends (Twitch) or intimacy (OnlyFans).

Much like Facebook and social media, these products cannot truly satisfy the interpersonal/social/sexual needs of their users, but they provide enough of an illusion that many people will spend their time, money, and social energy on those sites instead of getting so consciously lonely and bored that they'll undertake the much greater effort to meet real people and form true social/romantic bonds–which comes with many complications, compromises, conflict-resolution needs, and reciprocal dynamics.

I'm not so much outraged that there's sex involved, I'm actually equally concerned about parasocial Twitch streamers/influencers and OnlyFans. Learning what social relationships and hanging out with friends is like from performative ad-supported performers is like learning what sex is like from porn; both are bad influences on (especially but not only) young people that can significantly stunt them.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by rafale »

gnull wrote: post #38
ryandrake wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know--as I get older, and see things like this, I can't help but think maybe I'm just turning into an out-of-touch old fart. Maybe norms are simply changing and the next generations are building a better world free of all these stupid taboos and hangups. My ol' grandpa looked at my generation and just didn't understand how we were OK with things like interracial marriage, same sex relationships, drug legaliza…

This argument applies to any change. Trivially, not all the changes must be accepted, therefore the argument is flawed. UPD: rafale is right, I misunderstood the parent. It's not about any change, it's about allowing more freedoms.

The way I read it is that each generation is pushing the limit of freedoms. Sounds good if we stop right there...

But is it? When does it become bad? Should a parent be accepting that their daughter opens an OF when she turns 18? Should society be accepting of it as a side "gig economy" kind of job? How about the boys who are usually on the consumers/payers end?

We are monetizing intimacy and sex at a level like nothing before. Sure, it's always consenting adults exercising their constitutional rights and freedoms. But it feels wrong. Like the parent said, maybe I am just getting old.

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Post by rorykoehler »

superkuh wrote: post #4

The BBC is really digging deep and far away from OnlyFans itself in order to try to generate the moral outrage needed to justify their puritan anti-porn stance. Most of this article seems to be about things that happen outside of the website or instances where users violated the terms of service.

I can't understand your position. OF is designed in such a way that it perpetuates certain types of behaviour. You can't hand wave away TOS transgressions when the whole system is setup for weirdo's to easily and repeatedly break the TOS.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by rorykoehler »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

I'm not there yet but when I am I will use it as an opportunity to explore leverage and how being a porn creator is typically a desperate move by those without leverage (e.g. from the article the woman was sleeping in her car and had no income). Porn needs to be seen through the backstage lens. What you see on camera is not what is really happening. /r/instagramreality on reddit is another good resource.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by ipaddr »

onlyafan wrote: post #27

The overlap between small-time OnlyFans creators and people hypervigilant about their privacy feels small. Streamers and idols have faced this problem for some time - with cases of people finding out where a streamer lives based on minutiae like reflections - but add porn and inexperience to the equation and it's not at all surprising that stalking behavior can get dangerously extreme. Storytime - a girl at my uni me…

It's like you see a girl you think is hot and you ask people about her and follow her home.

Great you know where she lives.

You have seen her naked and paid for her pictures.

You are worried someone is going be as smart as you but take it a bit too far and go knock on her door? And what.. Ask her for a date? Kill her?

I would think if you go to the same school you could follow home anyone. And you have the opportunity to see lots of girls naked in person while in school.

Not seeing the risk of a low level star here. It's the same risk as being your neighbour and leaving the blind open.

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