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The Death of the Festival

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Re: The Death of the Festival

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Post by dr_dshiv »

rozab wrote: post #37
dr_dshiv wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Physical exercise, breathwork, healthy diets and diverse immune exposure all seem rather "holistic" and yet seem rather likely to reduce covid mortality -- perhaps much more so than, say, Remdesvir

When people refer to natural or alternative medicine, they're not usually talking about common sense lifestyle changes universally endorsed by the medical establishment. That's just regular medicine.

You'd think so, but no. My father had amazing cancer care but the idea of prescribing him yoga or actually any kind of light physical fitness program was considered "integrative" medicine and basically outside of the mainstream. This is changing. But "regular medicine" is, at present, very much not a holistic healing practice.

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Post by enkid »

andrey_utkin wrote: post #4
ElViajero wrote: post #2

> We know the rules of society are arbitrary, set up so that the show can be played out to its conclusion. This seems wrong to me. Most society rules have a reason to exist. Maybe, in the past century a few of that rules have become obsolete. But humanity is excellent at creating rules that makes things good enough to keep going. There is nothing that makes a society change its rules like a change on the environment.…

> Most society rules have a reason to exist. Quite some rules are affected by such reasons as "power begets power" - incumbent rulers/influencers tweaking the rulebook to reward incumbent powers and compliant populace and punish contenders. > Maybe, in the past century a few of that rules have become obsolete. But humanity is excellent at creating rules that makes things good enough to keep going. > There is nothing…

The period directly before the fall of the Soviet Union was one of liberalization and opening up. If any thing, the history of the Soviet Union was on of decreasing repression (in fits and with some set backs) after Stalin's death. You also have to be really careful of historical predictions. Lots of people make lots of predictions. Most of them are wrong, and most of them aren't remembered.

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Post by smackeyacky »

bsenftner wrote: post #6

He's on to something. The prose drops little passages easy to criticize, but the overall essay has good reasoning. I strongly agree the events one attends creating an alternative reality are more therapeutic and necessary than many are willing to admit.

Where did you find any nugget of wisdom hiding in this dangerous bunkum? Holistc healing and organic farming are what we abandoned so we wouldn't starve to death or mistake sepsis for being bedevilled. There isn't any reason in any of it, the whole essay is abandonment of reason.

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Post by kipchak »

golergka wrote: post #30

I spent 4 marvellous days at a semi-private psychedelic trance festival in deep Russian woods this June, and I couldn't disagree more. I felt as if I witnessed an event of similar cultural significance as british late 80s raves were back in their day, but the one that nobody outside of the community really knows anything about. The festival culture is alive and well, it's just got a little bit private, as it tries to…

These smaller festivals seem great for those who can attend, but it seems like for those who can't the largest option is commercialized subcultures, something like Star Wars Celebration to pick an example.

Re: The Death of the Festival

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Post by schemathings »

motohagiography wrote: post #26

Appears the writing is on the wall, as it were. Some years after Girard, Nassim Taleb riffed on a similar theme he called "suppressed volatility," where he started with risk being akin to a kind of energy that could not be created or destroyed, and the inevitable consequence of suppressing volatility was a kind of mean reversion or explosion on the other direction. I'd never consider Taleb as simpler or less wordy th…

When I returned from my first burn I described it to friends as a carnival where everyone brings their own ride, and bonus points if its something ridiculous you imagined when you were a kid at your first carnival (a fire-breathing octopus for example)

Re: The Death of the Festival

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Post by golergka »

kipchak wrote: post #44
golergka wrote: post #30

I spent 4 marvellous days at a semi-private psychedelic trance festival in deep Russian woods this June, and I couldn't disagree more. I felt as if I witnessed an event of similar cultural significance as british late 80s raves were back in their day, but the one that nobody outside of the community really knows anything about. The festival culture is alive and well, it's just got a little bit private, as it tries to…

These smaller festivals seem great for those who can attend, but it seems like for those who can't the largest option is commercialized subcultures, something like Star Wars Celebration to pick an example.

> those who can attend

Why wouldn't someone be able to attend? Just to clarify, I saw startup founders with net worth of tens of million of dollars and "true hippies" living on $300 a month and I couldn't tell them apart.

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Post by mxfh »

thinkingemote wrote: post #24
mxfh wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically COVID might save festival culture from total megacorp commercialization for another generation while giving back outdoor rave their clandestine feel, While being comparably safe compared to indoor booze-fests. Regarding online, the emerging 'just chatting' Twitch rave scene is something to behold in it's anarchism.

Could you give me some pointers to find them on twitch in that category? Do they use tags or common words in the titles? "Rave"?

A german article on that phenomenon is here: https://www.dj-lab.de/reportage-die-fabelhafte-welt-der-twit...

Yes a bit german heavy, but quite remarkle in contrast with the polished stuff like `cercle`.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

smackeyacky wrote: post #43
bsenftner wrote: post #6

He's on to something. The prose drops little passages easy to criticize, but the overall essay has good reasoning. I strongly agree the events one attends creating an alternative reality are more therapeutic and necessary than many are willing to admit.

Where did you find any nugget of wisdom hiding in this dangerous bunkum? Holistc healing and organic farming are what we abandoned so we wouldn't starve to death or mistake sepsis for being bedevilled. There isn't any reason in any of it, the whole essay is abandonment of reason.

Holistic healing and organic farming haven’t been abandoned at all, industrial farming and pharmaceuticals have merely dwarfed them thanks to its economic efficiency.

But building soil and mixing a little wu with your morning stretches never hurt anyone (you do stretch in the morning, don’t you?)

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Post by tolbish »

enkid wrote: post #42
andrey_utkin wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most society rules have a reason to exist. Quite some rules are affected by such reasons as "power begets power" - incumbent rulers/influencers tweaking the rulebook to reward incumbent powers and compliant populace and punish contenders. > Maybe, in the past century a few of that rules have become obsolete. But humanity is excellent at creating rules that makes things good enough to keep going. > There is nothing…

The period directly before the fall of the Soviet Union was one of liberalization and opening up. If any thing, the history of the Soviet Union was on of decreasing repression (in fits and with some set backs) after Stalin's death. You also have to be really careful of historical predictions. Lots of people make lots of predictions. Most of them are wrong, and most of them aren't remembered.

Liberals cause communism, liberals cause the end of communism—it's just hard to keep these vague political bogeymen straight sometimes.
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