The world would have much bigger problems than semiconductors if a full blown war happened in Taiwan. It won’t happen anyway. China is just Sabre rattling and beating its chest for political gain. If they were going to do it then it should have been on Trumps watch, when there was no certainty at all the USA would back its allies in a conflict. Not that there’s much certainty now.
If you were to have said Russia could grab Crimea and other parts of Ukraine without much of a peep 20 years ago ... nobody would have believed you. And then it happened. China is on a path to grabbing Taiwan and they'll have enough power that they can just 'do it' - with sufficient political cover, it's possible. March 21s, 2031: CPP drives internal foment in Taiwan through years of placing and supporting agents, an…
Why a Chinese invasion of Taiwan would be a catastrophe for China and the world
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#42People who think this won't happen or unlikely to happen need to look at where HK is at right now and what happened to HK over the course of last few years. Taiwan is a much bigger fish and has things like TSMC that China really wants/needs. Sooner rather than later, it is actually very LIKELY to happen, esp. if Xi wants to see it happen in his days.
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#43People who think this won't happen or unlikely to happen need to look at where HK is at right now and what happened to HK over the course of last few years. Taiwan is a much bigger fish and has things like TSMC that China really wants/needs. Sooner rather than later, it is actually very LIKELY to happen, esp. if Xi wants to see it happen in his days.
Taiwan though is different. China is not a strong naval power, its strength traditionally relying on its overwhelmingly immense land army. Amphibious invasions are among the most difficult operations in warfare, and Taiwan's geography limits potential invasions to only a few easily defendable points. China is building up its naval capabilities, but getting to the point that seizing Taiwan is even feasible will still take years - years that they don't have. This is to say nothing of the inevitable coalition that would join Taiwan in resisting such an invasion. Without experience in such invasions, China would be likely to suffer tremendous losses for trivial gains, at least at first. This would make the CCP appear incompetent and further reduce their military capabilities at exactly the same time that they would be most at risk of internal strife, which no doubt foreign powers would be throwing their full weight behind.
No, it makes more sense that China's current posturing is saber rattling meant to stir nationalist sentiment in its own population. It's the same reason for its recent clashing with India and its remarkable recent diplomatic hostility. The last thing it wants or needs is new territory full of independence minded dissidents, but creating external enemies is a classic and often effective play for regimes on rocky ground.
While it's always possible that some hawkish firebrand comes to power or there is some major miscommunication that leads to hostility, the CCP and Xi especially have a long track record of pursuing stability above all else, which has honestly been the Chinese goto play for thousands of years. An invasion of Taiwan would be in direct opposition to that goal, and could only end very badly for the CCP and Xi. Perhaps if China survives its demographic crisis it will emerge as a premiere power that can seriously consider such military expeditions, but it'll be dealing with that problem for a generation.
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#44The world would have much bigger problems than semiconductors if a full blown war happened in Taiwan. It won’t happen anyway. China is just Sabre rattling and beating its chest for political gain. If they were going to do it then it should have been on Trumps watch, when there was no certainty at all the USA would back its allies in a conflict. Not that there’s much certainty now.
China was afraid of Trump going to war not so much with Biden so this makes perfect sense. We will see Iran, Russia and North Korea threaten more while European countries offering more support.
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China was afraid of Trump going to war not so much with Biden so this makes perfect sense. We will see Iran, Russia and North Korea threaten more while European countries offering more support.
I thought the standard argument was that demopublicans (ya know that publican thing ain’t nothing to brag about lol) aka bipartisans all agreed that the foreign war gig was good . Trumpian inconsistency ensures that a well timed Sabre rattle is perceived as indigestion. I doubt that emperor Xi was concerned. They know a thing or two about the futility of walls unlike our homegrown lot who still believe in King Santa…
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Most of the studies and wargames have shown that invading Taiwan will be incredibly difficult. If Taiwan chooses to fight, they will be able to inflict serious casualties on PLA/PLAN forces. China's best plan is to slowly increase ties with Taiwan over time. But they don't seem to have the necessary patience (witness Hong Kong). From a military perspective, they could do a blockade, and I doubt the US or others would…
Why do you say that the U.S. would not "seriously try to break such a blockade"? Logistics issues? Political issues? Economic issues?
If I were the PLAN, I would focus on three areas; MRBMs to keep the CVNs far far away, airpower over the region to keep Japan out, and submarines to enforce the blockade.
They currently have enough DF-21 to make the USN very skittish about approaching within range of current carrier aircraft. There are countermeasures to the DF-21, particularly the targeting chain that can be disrupted, but that's dicey.
The PLA currently has enough aircraft in the region to gain air superiority, though not air supremacy.
Submarines are the real wild card. The US Navy's SSN fleet is stretched thin, and is in declining numbers compared to the PLAN fleet. Qualitatively, the USN is far superior, but...
In terms of other ASW assets, the USN is woefully unprepared for fighting against an opponent with home turf advantage. The CVNs no longer carry organic ASW assets, and have lost a lot of the institutional knowledge learned during the Cold War. The surface fleet has also let ASW skills atrophy.
All these combine to make it very unlikely the US would attempt to overcome a blockade in the next decade. If the US were to invest a significant amount of money above the current baseline in shipbuilding, this calculus might be different.
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#48The Taiwan saga will be another example of the 5 stages of acceptance. Right now the western world seems to be in denial. Once China does a small incursion into Taiwan, we'll advance to the next stage - anger. Inability to stop China will take us to bargaining. When China ignores the west, we'll get into the depression stage. When CCP's troops start patrolling Taiwan streets, and I think it'll happen in just ten year…
It would be impossible for China to conduct a "small incursion" into the main island of Taiwan. Geography and logistics make it an all-or-nothing deal. A small amphibious or airborne force would be too vulnerable and there wouldn't be any way to sustain it. If an invasion comes it will be huge, like on the scale of the WW2 Normandy assault.
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I generally agree with your other points, but don't like the word "launching". That word implies a deliberate act. It's much more likely this was just poor lab procedures that let the virus infect researchers at the virology lab. Those researchers then infected the world.
Re: Why a Chinese invasion of Taiwan would be a catastrophe for China and the world
#50People who think this won't happen or unlikely to happen need to look at where HK is at right now and what happened to HK over the course of last few years. Taiwan is a much bigger fish and has things like TSMC that China really wants/needs. Sooner rather than later, it is actually very LIKELY to happen, esp. if Xi wants to see it happen in his days.
China is on the precipice of a major demographic issue - it's military age population is collapsing at the same time that a major cohort is reaching the end of its productive years. China is making major moves right now to eliminate potential sources of unrest because in a short period of time it will not be able to. HK is part of China's continental territory, no foreign power, especially the waning British, could p…
By contrast, Taiwan is dreadful, at 1.07. Eventually, China will be able to just sail in.
The real threat to our chip supplies is that the world will run out of intelligent Taiwanese people to operate TSMC.