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Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by arcturus17 » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

paulpauper wrote: post #32

arcturus17 wrote: post #8

> Expect the balance of wealth and power to shift accordingly Haha, no, absolutely not. Power and wealth will still be accumulated primarily through persuading and influencing others. Good luck accumulating significant capital without that!

It depends how you define wealth and power. I mean, $200k at Apple may not be super wealthy or super powerful, but it is still way better than retail work.

People have been making that type of money at Apple before the pandemic, so nothing has changed.

Also, Apple is making everyone return to the office 3x per week. So much for the Rise of the Introverts...

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

abvdasker wrote: post #15

I've always felt that the introvert/extrovert dichotomy is such an oversimplification that it fails to be useful as a form of categorization. The degree to which someone is outgoing vs reserved is highly context dependent: maybe an individual is extraverted in their personal life but more restrained in a professional environment. Measuring these things is also so subjective that much of this is just a wash. Pieces of…

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Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by wccrawford » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #10

marcinzm wrote: post #2

I don't see remote work necessarily helping introverts since communication and online social connection is even more important when it doesn't happen by simply being in the same physical space. There is also even less social context to draw upon which is a problem for people who struggle in understanding social nuance. Introverts can very easily not make the extra effort to stay connected with co-workers which will p…

> There is also even less social context to draw upon which is a problem for people who struggle in understanding social nuance. I find that very beneficial though as people know that written situations lack context (so they add more info) and are more accepting of misinterpretations (so there is a lower penalty).

My experience in the past has been the opposite. People who communicated face to face were less likely to scream at each other than people who communicated by text.

Video helps with that in remote work, but it's still not everything, and introverts tend to shy away from that as well.

During Covid, I think a lot of people are also feeling stressed in weird new ways, and so there's a lot of empathy for whatever people are going through right now. Without it, I think tempers would flare quicker.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by didibus » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #29

abvdasker wrote: post #15

I've always felt that the introvert/extrovert dichotomy is such an oversimplification that it fails to be useful as a form of categorization. The degree to which someone is outgoing vs reserved is highly context dependent: maybe an individual is extraverted in their personal life but more restrained in a professional environment. Measuring these things is also so subjective that much of this is just a wash. Pieces of…

Being introvert vs extrovert is not about how one acts in social situations but whether one finds social situations draining or giving energy. For some introverts that translates into avoiding social activity, but that is by no means a given. I like many social situations and can be outgoing and animated in the right context, but no matter how much I might enjoy that, it is still exhausting to me, and that is what ma…

In this classification, it begs the question, do extroverts feel drained and demotivated when not in social contexts?

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by prionassembly » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

yuy910616 wrote: post #21

Good idea and poorly written. This low-brow content should really be posted on Reddit and not HN: 1. Definition of Introvert is wrong: introvert can be gregarious, loud, and fun at parties. Introvert vs extrovert is more determined by where you get your energy from. 2. Mostly copies idea from this article [1] [1] https://marker.medium.com/context-sensitivity-and-the-introv...

I'd argue that bad content shouldn't be posted anywhere.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by luffapi » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:11 PM UTC

sz4kerto wrote: post #40

luffapi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talent, pay and IQ (if you believe it’s valid) have almost no correlation. Without question, the people I know earning them most money are rich kids and I assure you they are neither talented nor intelligent. There are incredibly talented musicians out there that can’t even afford rent and genius mathematicians are rarely seen purchasing a yacht.

> There are incredibly talented musicians out there that can’t even afford rent and genius mathematicians are rarely seen purchasing a yacht. Sorry, but anecdotes are really problematic (i.e. useless) when evaluating correlation between variables. Research puts IQ - income correlation to around 0.4, if my memory serves.

I’d like to see some research to back that up. Here’s an article that says otherwise:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11711-smarter-people-...

Common sense will tell you billionaires aren’t orders of magnitude smarter than the rest of us.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by thebackup » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:14 PM UTC

jvanderbot wrote: post #9

claudiulodro wrote: post #5

> High-paying careers favor those with the stomach for deep, solitary work. Where can I get some of this high-paid, deep, solitary work? These days software engineering is ultra-collaborative, and I doubt anybody would say that doctors/nurses, managers, finance people, or lawyers are doing deep, solitary work.

Deep, Solitary work does not mean non-collaborative. You can, without talking to a single human being, complete design reviews, claim and fix 1000s of bugs, review PRs, update and ship documentation or releases, etc etc. Deep Solitary just means "asynchronous", "uninterrupted", and "self-scheduled" in this context.

Where can I get some of this high paid, asynchronous, uninterrupted, and self-scheduled work?

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by DrBazza » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:15 PM UTC

The reign of the introverts is definitely not here nor will it ever be.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that most people in this industry think they're introverts, when actually they're just a victim of extremely poor working environments, i.e. open plan offices.

No other industry I can think of has such a disparity between what an employee needs for the best productivity versus what they're given by their employer, i.e. solitude to concentrate.

The longer I've spent away from an open plan office, the more sociable I've become, especially over the last 15 months.

Similarly as you rise 'up the ladder', you have to communicate more, you cannot be an introvert.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by pxue » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:16 PM UTC

jvanderbot wrote: post #9

claudiulodro wrote: post #5

> High-paying careers favor those with the stomach for deep, solitary work. Where can I get some of this high-paid, deep, solitary work? These days software engineering is ultra-collaborative, and I doubt anybody would say that doctors/nurses, managers, finance people, or lawyers are doing deep, solitary work.

Deep, Solitary work does not mean non-collaborative. You can, without talking to a single human being, complete design reviews, claim and fix 1000s of bugs, review PRs, update and ship documentation or releases, etc etc. Deep Solitary just means "asynchronous", "uninterrupted", and "self-scheduled" in this context.

No it doesn’t.

Reviewing other people’s PR is a collaborative task, fixing bugs "reported by others" is a collaborative work, updating docs and release notes for "other" stakeholder's consumption is collaborative work.

Unless you're building a house deep in the woods for you by you, you're collaborating with other people on different levels.

Let's be honest, introversion is a gradient scale, maybe we've shifted a bit more towards cutting out the office Watercooler talks but everything we do as a species is still highly collaborative.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by raverbashing » Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 7:17 PM UTC

> Some of the most successful introverts — Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet

But, who says they are?

I don't think Gates, Bezos or Zuck fit the "introvert" profile. Of course they are technical, but not necessarily introverted.