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Whatever Happened to UI Affordances?

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Re: Whatever Happened to UI Affordances?

#41

Note that the default share UI in Android 11 (or is that LineageOS specific?) does indeed show more by swiping up. Firefox implements their own sharing UI and does side-swiping as well, but at least they went the Apple route of cutting some options off.

> ...went the Apple route of cutting some options of.

Is this implying there's more to the comment if I side-swipe?

Hrm. I think it's bugged.

Re: Whatever Happened to UI Affordances?

#42
post #16

„Doesn‘t familiarize themselves with the UI, complains about not being familiar with it“. That‘s almost meme-ish, to be honest. What‘s a discoverable UI? Does it count to have options in a context menu? That’s very discoverable to someone like me, much less for some of my less computer-savvy relatives. A toolbar with unlabeled icons is not that different in that regard. I think it really boils down to how familiar so…

I've been using Android since the pre-release versions. Every Google app has a different share UI. If I hit share in YouTube, the panels scrolls vertically. Google Drive's share looks different, but also shares vertically. Google Chrome's share panel looks identical to Drive, but behaves completely differently. So, I'd say that I'm very familiar with Android's UI - but I don't think Google is.

This is fixed in Android 12

Re: Whatever Happened to UI Affordances?

#43

Sorry for this pedantic comment, but he is asking for signifiers not affordances. He wants affordances to be more perceptible. See Design of Everyday Things.

Is there a more intuitive word for "affordances" or similar? I find its definition is always debated or confused in the comments so I prefer to avoid it where possible.

Re: Whatever Happened to UI Affordances?

#44
post #3

I don't understand exactly what the writer is complaining about. The thesis of the page is never explicitly stated. I see a complaint, "Hmmm. It didn't have the share destination that I wanted" yet the author never states what option they were looking for. I would agree that, via the screenshot, the default options are all over the place and not prioritized well. However, the "Copy link" option is clearly visible. Be…

It doesn't matter what option he was looking for (maybe nearby share, messaging, etc as shown in a latter image). The point being made is that it wasn't in the first screen and the fact that there were more options (and how to reach them) was not hinted by the interface in any way. Adding to that the expected way of interacting didn't work and only by chance he managed to figure it out.

From the article:

> There's no scrollbar, no handle, no "more" icon, nothing.

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> I tried swiping it up - that's what I've learned most panels do in Android. But it did nothing. So I gave up.

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> my thumb slipped transversely (...) The fucking thing was a horizontal slider!

Re: Whatever Happened to UI Affordances?

#45
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that. But how do you first learn about the standard way? Admittedly, it has been several years since I used an iPhone - but I don't remember it ever telling me that slide-to-delete was a thing. I literally had to ask on Twitter to find out - https://twitter.com/search?q=delete%20podcast%20from%3Aedent... I agree that there are some things which work best hidden - pull to refresh, for example - but it needs to b…

The old Macintosh computers came with a floppy that walked the user through using the computer. How to click. How to drag. Very basic stuff, but it was all new to the world at the time. Now, you are assumed to know all that. The iPhone/touch paradigm never had such an easy on ramp for consumers. Or if it did, they dismantled it before I got on that ride. Personally, I think this reflects pure hubris on the part of Ap…

True, ui action discoverability is harder these days, but somehow I learned to swipe to delete, but I don’t know how. Maybe I was told, or saw a video? My point is, that the interactions are common enough that I think most people learn them from other people, whereas in the early days of personal computers guides were important because users had no previous knowledge, nor anyone else, to turn to.

Re: Whatever Happened to UI Affordances?

#47

The share sheet on Android is super confusing. It doesn't help that several apps implement their own, and some of them scroll horizontally while others scroll vertically. Edit: apparently they're forcing apps to use the native share sheet in Android 12? https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/06/01/android-12-will-spe...

No, they're preventing 3rd-party apps from actually replacing the system share pane for other apps. An app can still choose to implement their own in-app share menu instead of using the system one.

Re: Whatever Happened to UI Affordances?

#48
post #27

Sorry for this pedantic comment, but he is asking for signifiers not affordances. He wants affordances to be more perceptible. See Design of Everyday Things.

I upvoted your comment because the blog author even references that book, and the book goes into great length to make this distinction between the two. So I think it's only fair to point it out.

And yet, all the upvotes showered on nitpicks again prevent HN from using the top comment for substantive discussion on the subject of the article.

Re: Whatever Happened to UI Affordances?

#49

> Modern design is so beautiful to look at - but an absolute nightmare to use. You either need to use trial an error on every element, or hope that someone else can tell you what you need to do. This. Aesthetics has overtaken usability. Back when it was web design, a good interface was defined as one that was easy to use first, pretty to look at second. During the rise of mobile interfaces, this got flipped. Now pret…

App companies are optimising for sales, and pretty sells better than usable.

This isn't just true for software. There are lots of things, even trivial kitchen items, where you can't appreciate just how badly designed they are until you've used them for a bit. It is infuriating!

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