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The IT residency you don’t even get stock.
Same with the AI residency. (At least I didn't.)
You don't, but ai res did have relatively higher bonuses that some what (to be clear, only somewhat) made up for it.
Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’
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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
The 99% of white Americans for whom all ancestors were from Europe, are European.
Just checked that there are 7 millions Jews in the US. That's a lot more than 1%. About 3 millions are Slavic people. Many millions are european-type Arabic people. They all look like white Americans and if they grew up in the US, they won't even have an accent. The number of "true north-european descendats" must be a lot lower, maybe 60% of white Americans. And this number is going downhill rapidly because Americans…
Every human being descends from the original humans in Africa so I don't think the term "true north-European descendants" makes much sense.
Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’
#43That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…
I know a few people that took EngRes over Amazon despite the pay gap and it really hammered home how much folks think people like me are subhuman - they literally think being a lower paid, probationary employee is better than working at Amazon. I’m glad it’s done for, it was basically just another pipeline for elite students to have a fallback into Google (The folks I knew that took it were CS students from UChicago…
Any chance your previous HN nickname was sadamznintern?
Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know a few people that took EngRes over Amazon despite the pay gap and it really hammered home how much folks think people like me are subhuman - they literally think being a lower paid, probationary employee is better than working at Amazon. I’m glad it’s done for, it was basically just another pipeline for elite students to have a fallback into Google (The folks I knew that took it were CS students from UChicago…
Any chance your previous HN nickname was sadamznintern?
No, I was an intern but being sad is relatively new
Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’
#45Google has the too much SJW problem. These are extreme leftists who exaggerate everything to the max. I remember in memegen. One person commented that, if you voted for republican, you would be killing me (because they were gay). There were a bunch of mentions like this that just sounded exaggerated that nobody could have a reasonable convo. It is also extremely contradictory. For example, we should get all killers i…
Using an anecdote from one person doesn't actually prove the point you made in the first line. If you can find repeated cases of over-reactions from Googlers over multiple months/years, then you might have evidence to support your argument.
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>sounds like discrimination and should be illegal IME the "unique backgrounds" are "doesn't have a CS degree or a couple years of experience at a big software shop".
yep, discrimination
You could at least explain how it’s unfair to pay less qualified applicants less money?
Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’
#47That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…
> SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience.
Just like stores have "up to" 70% discounts. One item is marked off that much, and the rest are given modest discounts.
We shouldn't normalize this number as some plain old average, it'd be aspirational for many.
Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’
#48It seems like this engineering residency program is essentially an extended internship, which converts to a full time role if the worker does well. Google searches say residents are paid ~$95k a year. This is by no means bad pay for entry level work. I'm really struggling to see the injustice of this program. It seems to me that axing it only leaves the people who used this role as a stepping stone to reach a full ti…
I'm pretty sure that I agree with you, but if I had to steelman the argument against Eng Res it would be that since pay and promotion seems to follow percentage increments year to year, if you start at a lower point than someone else, you are going to be consistently behind them. So, having this program essentially creates a second class of engineer at google, predominantly URMs, who will be given lower pay and lower…
Made an HN account to respond to this. I was in the Eng Res program, and that's not how it worked.
When you converted to being a regular SWE, they gave you a BIG pay bump -- comparable to a new-grad starting salary, but rather higher than average. My comp the year after Eng Res was higher by 20-40% than my friends who started at Google right out of school.
Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’
#49> Critics have long argued that Google and its tech industry peers favor white, Asian and male workers Google was 51.7% white in 2020, down from 54.4% in 2019 *. The US is 61.5% white, meaning whites are under-represented at Google, and increasingly so. How can one then argue they are favored? Why do reporters not apply even the smallest degree of scrutiny to such claims? * https://diversity.google/annual-report/
I think it's worth considering the following points:
* The critics are talking about Software Engineering (~1/3rd of the company?), whereas the source you cited is about all of Google. I wouldn't be surprised if the White/Asian/Male splits are far worse when you only look at software engineers.
* Google has many international offices (e.g. there's > 1000 employees in Google Japan).
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“ way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements” - sounds like discrimination and should be illegal. meanwhile, people in their 40s are dealing with leetcode BS to get a reasonable position with that sort of compensation even though they have an extensive track record.
>sounds like discrimination and should be illegal IME the "unique backgrounds" are "doesn't have a CS degree or a couple years of experience at a big software shop".
That's generally not what I've seen. It's generally just the same sorts of folks from top schools.