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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by josefresco »

nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

> The media is highly visible and well-documented

Sort of. Social media feeds and ads are ephemeral and customized to the specific user. This makes transparency hard, unless the network provides access.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by hezag »

angio wrote: post #29
lupire wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the classification "mainstream" media? Is non mainstream media qualitatively different?

I believe non mainstream media is easier to recognize as propaganda or at least heavily biased, while mainstream media is oftentimes considered "unbiased" and "objective".

"unbiased"/"objective" = Status quo Propaganda

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by akiselev »

lupire wrote: post #28
nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

Do private schools not have propaganda? Student have over a dozen teachers over the course of education. If they "provide whatever narrative they like " it seems students would get a diverse range of perspectives. Not to mention all the perspectives they get from other authorities like their churches, clubs, family members, and... every adult they encounter, and every book too.

Most private schools - in the US at least - are religious, so I'd argue they're peddling propaganda as a matter of course (though not all such schools require students to participate in the propagandization).

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by ttt0 »

slg wrote: post #18
WalterBright wrote: post #13

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

Doesn't propaganda require intent? You may be seeing bias but that isn't the same as propaganda.

Intent is there, people talk about it openly.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by jhabdas »

Critical Race Theory is affecting both our children's education as well as the military. And the media is playing games right in front of our faces. Here's just one example:

IO 26 - Interview with Lt Col Matthew Lohmeier, USAF on CRT in DoD, His Book Irresistible Revolution

https://tv.gab.com/channel/creativedestructionmedia/view/io-...

Lt. Col. Matthew Lohmeier called out the social justice scam and paid for it with his job

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/matthew-lohmeier-...

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by colordrops »

nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

The worst kind of propaganda is that which makes certain topics taboo, regardless of merit. For instance, if your idea that propaganda is pushed in schools gains traction among the populace, the idea would then be associated with the "other side", either liberals or conservatives in our case, and would then mark you as being on the wrong team. Its a pernicious form of propaganda that has escalated with the last presidential election.

EDIT: curious about the opinions of anyone who down voted this.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by colordrops »

lupire wrote: post #28
nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

Do private schools not have propaganda? Student have over a dozen teachers over the course of education. If they "provide whatever narrative they like " it seems students would get a diverse range of perspectives. Not to mention all the perspectives they get from other authorities like their churches, clubs, family members, and... every adult they encounter, and every book too.

The private schools in Los Angeles definitely push political agendas.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by slg »

WalterBright wrote: post #24
slg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't propaganda require intent? You may be seeing bias but that isn't the same as propaganda.

The intent is pretty clear. You can distinguish it from sloppy journalism fairly easily. Especially when the stories from one particular outfit all slant the same way.

I am sorry but I have no idea how one would come to the conclusion that 90% of journalists are engaging in intentional propaganda. I can understand if you think they have unconscious biases that influence their work, but believing 90% of the profession ix trying to actively manipulate you is just disconnected from reality.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by bena »

dragontamer wrote: post #39
bena wrote: post #36

I like how their description of "Refuting the central point" is "refuting the central point" without explicitly telling us how that is different from "Refutation". Also "Name Calling" is a form of "Ad Hominem". And why is "using quotes" higher up than "reasoning and supporting evidence"? Also, isn't the entire pyramid about the level of counter argument? So, contradiction is inherent in the process. It really seems l…

And yet, Ad Hominem is useful, especially since certain channels are clearly propaganda. Is it a shortcut? Yes. But as the blogpost points out, misinformation spreads far more quickly than truth. Its easier to shortcut and label certain outlets as propaganda channels, to help focus the discussion on the few channels which are reliable (Associated Press is good and neutral, and mainly factual)

Ad hominem is never useful.

It doesn't tell me anything about the other side and tells me more about you. You don't like the other side. That's what I now know.

And misinformation usually has one of the problems that would put it further down the pyramid than actual arguments. It's usually ad hominem or tone policing itself. Or sometimes just a straight up lie.

And pointing out those elements would fall under Counter Argument.

Not everything negative is ad hominem.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by cbsmith »

stronglikedan wrote: post #40
lupire wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do private schools not have propaganda? Student have over a dozen teachers over the course of education. If they "provide whatever narrative they like " it seems students would get a diverse range of perspectives. Not to mention all the perspectives they get from other authorities like their churches, clubs, family members, and... every adult they encounter, and every book too.

They do, but the parents have more of a say, since they're paying for it. And, since they can afford it, they have a choice of schools should their complaints fall on deaf ears.

Right, so effectively you are getting more propaganda from one point of view. At least when there is conflicting propaganda, there's some hope.
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