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Catalytic Converter Theft

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Re: Catalytic Converter Theft

#41

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Then how would we expect a legitimate mechanic to replace one?

Then they can show their mechanic's license. There's no reason for Joe off the street to come in with a backpack full of these things. Especially ones that are brand new. Here's 20 stolen from a dealership the other night - https://abc13.com/la-porte-car-dealership-theft-catalytic-co...

>Then they can show their mechanic's license.

Scrapyards already need licenses (permits). Adding licensing requirements will just result in the people with licenses buying from the thiefs. It's just another middleman in the chain.

If anything it makes the problem worse because scrapyards often do turn away obvious thieves. A mechanic showing up with ten legit converters and forty stolen ones he bought off the thief gives the scrapyard plausible deniability. Furthermore it moves the illicit transaction outside of a legit commercial establishment and to wherever the thief and the mechanic care to meet.

It's already acknowledged that without enforcement against the people who are actually cutting the cats off regulatory requirements just displace the problem and shift the profit around.

Being a mechanic doesn't require a license although running the commercial establishment generally has some permitting requirements.

Re: Catalytic Converter Theft

#42

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Cat install costs way more than that. But aside, would you really be okay going back to the days of photochemical smog choking away your sunlight and skyrocketing rates of asthma and acid rain dissolving your ancestor's gravestones?? Federal law requires the catalytic converters. Everyone is definitely better off for them.

> Cat install costs way more than that. Around here they're ~1hr of shop labor plus the cost of the cat (the latter being like $50 for an aftermarket cat up to a few hundred for an OEM cat (though there's a few vehicles with oddly expensive ones) with the 50-state cats always costing an integer multiple more. >But aside, would you really be okay going back to the days of photochemical smog choking away your sunlight…

If the Cat is worth $200 to a thief because of all the precious metals in it, how can a cheapo cat cost only $50?

The cheapo cat doesn't have many precious metals in, and barely is doing its job. The sniff test done at the annual inspection doesn't typically test for all types of gas. So probably the cheapo one might 'pass the test' but still be far from meeting the law.

Either that or the makers of cheapo knock-off catalytic converters have some amazing R&D that even the OEM's can't figure out...

Re: Catalytic Converter Theft

#43

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By reinvesting the excess of money invested in the police into improving society for people, so that less people need to steal.

You can both be wrong ;) There are plenty of poorer cities where the police have been involuntarily "defunded" by NYC or SF funding standards and they don't have the rampant petty crime that many west coast cities seem to. Defunding the police isn't the problem. IMO a stretched thin PD is a well behaved PD. The problem seems to be related to all the policy baggage that comes with the "defund the police" crowd.

> There are plenty of poorer cities where the police have been involuntarily "defunded" by NYC or SF funding standards and they don't have the rampant petty crime that many west coast cities seem to.

The thing is: where there are a lot of juicy targets (e.g. tourists), there will automatically be more petty crimes. As a robber you'll have more profit going around and snatching airpods or phones from a ride in the NYC subway than from walking around in some shoddy 'hood in a flyover state.

> Defunding the police isn't the problem. IMO a stretched thin PD is a well behaved PD.

Actually not, because a "stretched thin" force is more likely to shoot first or otherwise use excessive force to get a suspect under control and ask questions later than to use de-escalative tactics which require extensive training (in Germany cop training is a three year thing for exactly that reason vs. the average 21 weeks in the US). If you want police to approach sensitive stuff like domestic violence or rape in an appropriate manner, the officers will need to have both the training and the time for doing so.

> The problem seems to be related to all the policy baggage that comes with the "defund the police" crowd.

And what "policy baggage" is that? To require a social worker to come with and eventually be leading the response to a domestic violence call isn't baggage, it's the whole point of the thing.

Re: Catalytic Converter Theft

#44
That was kind of like hitting the lottery for us,” said Sacramento County Sheriff’s Detective Tom McCue, who led a multi-agency task force on the case.

Glad they busted up a theft ring but this sounds like a moral hazard, assuming they’re keeping the money.

Re: Catalytic Converter Theft

#45

Cat theft would be a $200 problem ($50 for the cat, $150 for someone to put it in there) on the order of a cracked windshield instead of a $2k problem if CARB would pull its head out of it's butt and stop caring about what cat you put on what as long as it sniffs within spec at the tailpipe. I'm not condoning theft but CA state policy is a large part of why this issue hurts as bad as it does.

In our market we don’t have CARB but an OEM cat for a Mazda Rx8 retails at £1300. An aftermarket like for like is £800 (there are cheaper “race” cats but its a different product with less of the expensive precious metals inside).

Edit: a fairer example would be a ford focus - one of the most popular cars in the uk. £200 aftermarket main cat, £70 aftermarket pre-cat.

Re: Catalytic Converter Theft

#47
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I don't quite understand why the authorities can't hit these guys in the supply line. Make it impossible to shift a bare catalytic converter by cracking down on scrap merchants who would be buying them.

They’re melted down and the result is pure untraceable metal. Rhodium vendors can’t be common though. What’s the story the fences give? “This is all from my small-scale family rhodium mine”?

Rhodium is so valuable you can fit tens of millions of dollars of it in a suitcase.

And then you sell it to an actual rhodium mine who just so happens to be particularly productive that month.

Re: Catalytic Converter Theft

#48

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Then they can show their mechanic's license. There's no reason for Joe off the street to come in with a backpack full of these things. Especially ones that are brand new. Here's 20 stolen from a dealership the other night - https://abc13.com/la-porte-car-dealership-theft-catalytic-co...

"Mechanic's license"?

Many US states require auto repair businesses to be registered, which would be a reasonable thing to tie back to (if this was a reasonable idea in the first place, which it isn't).

Re: Catalytic Converter Theft

#49

Well I suppose this is one advantage of pure electric cars.

Came here to say that, and yes good riddance of the whole emissions cycle we've endured for decades.

EV battery packs are certainly serial numbered and traceable, but these guys will just pivot to breaking up packs and selling cells or whatever.

Re: Catalytic Converter Theft

#50

Well I suppose this is one advantage of pure electric cars.

My boss has a video of someone jacking up his Model 3 and sliding underneath (thankfully leaving with nothing). I guess thieves aren’t always the brightest bulbs.
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