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Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by xibalba »

CPLX wrote: post #21
xibalba wrote: post #15

This whole format is a dead end. Clubhouse user growth and engagement is stalled out (and likely in decline). Not that Facebook minds. The millions spent cloning Clubhouse are a rounding error on their financial statements.

Strong agree. I'm still a little bewildered about how Clubhouse got so much hype in the first place considering the actual product obviously sucks. With that said, I think Clubhouse could be in a way better position if they'd used their head start to actually work on making the product not awful. I have listened to 1-2 conversations where I've thought hey this has some value, but every time I open up and scroll throu…

With respect to content, I think the core problem for Clubhouse is its live-centric model. This limits both the total volume of content available to be recommended, but also the data upon which an recommender can be trained.

This, of course, is a paradoxical problem for Clubhouse as live audio was its central innovation and distinguishing feature.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

reaperducer wrote: post #33
eric4smith wrote: post #5

Hard pass. The way how they messed up their video offering is a damned shame. Plus... why would i want to put my stuff into Facebook's stratospheric walled garden, where if I need to pull it back out later on, its almost impossible???

where if I need to pull it back out later on, its almost impossible??? Or, in my wife's case, actually impossible. She's tried repeatedly for almost a year to download "her" data from Facebook. All she gets is a 4GB zip file that when uncompressed has a bunch of mostly empty folders and a 3.5GB "facebook_754893.zip.enc" file. By the filename, I guess it's an encrypted zip file, but nothing will open it. Searching the…

Assuming she would have actually got the data to open, what would you have done with that data? I don't think any service accepts facebook data and convert it into their account. And to me facebook seems like a at the moment conversation platform rather than something I would care to archive or look back into.

Genuinely asking the reason people value downloading their fb data so much.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by samstave »

Apocryphon wrote: post #4

Is breathtaking the amount of effort Facebook has spent xeroxing other products. I’m still amused by how they had their own online game show because of the success of HQ Trivia.

Once, in a tech interview a long long time ago, the hiring manager asked me some questions about my experience and how I would do this and that... and I gave him my answer and he said:

"Good, I am so tired of hearing from these young folks coming in and saying "well, the way we did it at Facebook was XYZ" and "Facebook does it right by doing it like this" and "FB this and that"

"these kids think they know the best way to do everything because they did something one way, one-time at facebook - and it was their first job, they have no wisdom."

---

The company; Twitter.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by thatguy0900 »

emilsedgh wrote: post #20
xibalba wrote: post #15

This whole format is a dead end. Clubhouse user growth and engagement is stalled out (and likely in decline). Not that Facebook minds. The millions spent cloning Clubhouse are a rounding error on their financial statements.

Clubhouse has been amazing though. I hope it can sustain. Discussions on it are much, much better than Twitter nonsense.

I would assume the discussions are better because they are smaller. Has any online community managed to maintain quality discussions at scale?

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by CharlesW »

shp0ngle wrote: post #6

Finally, a podcasting service aimed at seniors.

That smart and savvy HNers are calling a closed audio medium "podcasting" means that the only important open medium for audio and video distribution is dead. Embrace, extend, extinguish works.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by Firebrand »

echelon wrote: post #22
afavour wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook... and Spotify, and Twitter. They've all got Clubhouse clones going now. Sometimes I find the state of 'innovation' in large tech companies a little depressing...

It's hard to grow as a social media startup now. If you're successful, Zuckerberg and the rest will spend tens of millions cloning you. Only a select few reach escape velocity. Snapchat, TikTok. How do you survive without being trampled by the giants?

You focus on things people aren’t willing to post on their Facebook feed. Snap and TikTok remain strong despite being copied because it allows people to essentially shitpost without their close friends and family seeing it.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by pochamago »

hrisng wrote: post #26
xibalba wrote: post #15

This whole format is a dead end. Clubhouse user growth and engagement is stalled out (and likely in decline). Not that Facebook minds. The millions spent cloning Clubhouse are a rounding error on their financial statements.

Probably doesn't help that Clubhouse was iOS-only for a long time. People in the local dev community would now and then suggest a Clubhouse night, but we have to shot it down everytime as it would eliminate a sufficient portion of members. End up using Discord, but definitely would have jumped on the ship, had they not cashing in on exclusivity for so long.

Yeah, it was weird to completely lock out anyone without an iphone.

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by shp0ngle »

CharlesW wrote: post #45
shp0ngle wrote: post #6

Finally, a podcasting service aimed at seniors.

That smart and savvy HNers are calling a closed audio medium "podcasting" means that the only important open medium for audio and video distribution is dead. Embrace, extend, extinguish works.

"Podcasting" was coopted by Apple and put to their closed iTunes store almost immediately, haha

Podcast Directory in iTunes Music Store is from... 2005

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2005/06/28Apple-Takes-Podcast...

Re: Facebook Launches Podcast and Live Audio Room Services

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Post by Apocryphon »

Firebrand wrote: post #46
echelon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to grow as a social media startup now. If you're successful, Zuckerberg and the rest will spend tens of millions cloning you. Only a select few reach escape velocity. Snapchat, TikTok. How do you survive without being trampled by the giants?

You focus on things people aren’t willing to post on their Facebook feed. Snap and TikTok remain strong despite being copied because it allows people to essentially shitpost without their close friends and family seeing it.

I wonder how VSCO is faring compared to Instagram, which is another similarly "anti-social" network. TikTok has the benefit of being owned by a larger conglomerate, ByteDance. Supposedly Pinterest was in talks to acquire VSCO.
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