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Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by ganzuul »

elboulangero wrote: post #18

FWIW this thread was a good read: https://mobile.twitter.com/skepticalzebra/status/14058997241... Apparently there are previous studies (pre-covid Era) that found similar changes in the brain associated with loss of smell. Quoting: > What if I told you there was also an illness in which: > "grey matter reduction was observed in the gyrus rectus, orbitofrontal cortex, thalamus, and the insula" > This is taken from a s…

Call me stupid for waiting to get vaccinated... But I'm not stupid enough to base that decision on a Twitter thread.

The problem I have is that inclusive discussion is being suppressed, and I can't make a decision based on clearly biased information. ref. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by LikelyClueless »

lima wrote: post #24
plank_time wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the percentage of people who suffered any long term brain effects? And did they do the same study against people who got the flu and other diseases?

> And did they do the same study against people who got the flu and other diseases? Does this matter?

I would try to avoid the flu more if I had an idea of how much brain damage it could cause. I understand the comparison to the flu is a touchy subject, but the question can still be asked from a standpoint of curiosity. Is this disease showing completely new symptoms for a viral infection, or have we been over analyzing any little details that are not so uncommon? Does it matter? I certainly would like to know the answer.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by ekianjo »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

> You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body?

Rather than injecting yourself with mRNA which will create long-term antibodies in your organism which will be reactivated any time something like COVID19 appears again in the nature, it's probably safer to rely on COVID19 treatments are are short lived (as in, metabolized) and reduce the viral load swiftly.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by megous »

goodoldneon wrote: post #11
loceng wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could get people that don't understand the nuances to deeply look into, study the mRNA vaccine, currently known issues including long haul COVID symptoms of people who've only had the vaccine (via the spike protein which has turned out to be cytotoxic and seems to break away causing issues), and look seriously into the Ivermectin research and its suppression; and yes, certainly I'll be downvoted because peop…

It’s hard to trust people who make a bold claim, only to back it up with “do the research”. Why don’t you link to some of these reputable Ivermectin studies?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by subroutine »

Looking at the scatter plot [1] from their most statistically significant finding (parahippocampal gray matter change), the effect size is tiny, and the variance is large. Nearly half the case participants had more gray matter after getting covid.

[1] https://i.ibb.co/5YcxJHH/EDB20654-900-A-427-C-8063-B5-FA667-...

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by r3trohack3r »

hallway_monitor wrote: post #6
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

Agree completely. That said, ideally I don't want either. Since a lot of people wanted to get vaccinated immediately, I can avoid that and the virus with very high probability. If needed, I'll take v3 or so of the mRNA vaccine.

I’m not sure which child to respond to, so responding here.

I’m pretty well aligned with this and I’m not sure why it’s getting the downvotes.

COVID has never been communicated to me as something serious for my age group. Maybe I’m misinformed, but I’ve never feared getting COVID. I was _terrified_ of needing hospital care _during a hockey stick_.

COVID was communicated to me as a hospital killer. I was terrified I’d have a bad time and not get the care I needed or, worse, steal care from someone else in a zero-sum game. And it wasn’t just COVID during that window. If we “hockey sticked” and exceeded hospital capacity, any care I needed (heart problems, broken bones, different virus, etc.) would all be wrapped up in the same zero-sum game.

I quarantined for months, then socially distanced, and now I’m pretty much back to life as normal. What changed for me: my perceived risk of my local hospitals getting knocked over by COVID is now close to zero. In my eyes we’ve weathered the storm.

Am I missing something?

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by [deleted] »

goodoldneon wrote: post #13
wombatmobile wrote: post #2

This sounds alarming: > There is strong evidence for brain-related pathologies in COVID-19, some of which could be a consequence of viral neurotropism. This doesn't: > We further compared COVID-19 patients who had been hospitalised (n=15) with those who had not (n=379), and while results were not significant, we found comparatively similar findings to the COVID-19 vs control group comparison What are the quantitative…

Kind of a tangent, but I get frustrated when researchers publicly release results when one of their groups have a ridiculously small sample size. It’s irresponsible to release results based on 15 people

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Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by ikerdanzel »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

80% of population will have immunity against COVID without any vaccination. Death rate is only around 1-2%. Severe reaction is under 10%. People knows for sure they have 80% won't have any effect from COVID. People don't know what is the odds of long term effect of vaccines. There are many people died directly due to vaccinations. These numbers are actively cover-up. Look at all the reported cases, they are "infections". Not death. In UK, as long as a person is tested positive, within 28 days no matter how that person die, even if it is suicide, they are counted as COVID death. Infections in USA is also massively double, triple or quadruple counted. As long as a test is counted even they are on the same person. It is fully understandable why some people willing to risk COVID than vaccines. Basically the rewards doesnt justify the risk for them. There are countries in EU fully embrace natural herd immunity. I let you research which country is that without the need of vaccinations. Their hospitals didnt collapse. Their death is only several times higher than flu and accident deaths. And by the way, this year magically, common flu death just disappear.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by [deleted] »

elboulangero wrote: post #18

FWIW this thread was a good read: https://mobile.twitter.com/skepticalzebra/status/14058997241... Apparently there are previous studies (pre-covid Era) that found similar changes in the brain associated with loss of smell. Quoting: > What if I told you there was also an illness in which: > "grey matter reduction was observed in the gyrus rectus, orbitofrontal cortex, thalamus, and the insula" > This is taken from a s…

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Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by electrondood »

ekianjo wrote: post #43
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

> You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? Rather than injecting yourself with mRNA which will create long-term antibodies in your organism which will be reactivated any time something like COVID19 appears again in the nature, it's probably safer to rely on COVID19 treatments are are short lived (as in, metabolized) and reduce the viral load swiftly.

mRNA is short-lived, metabolized, etc. That's exactly how Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work.

> Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them. [0]

You seem to be arguing against the principle of vaccination in general.

[0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different...

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