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World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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They cite environmental and transparency concerns, but somehow I believe it's more about control and ensuring the continuation of the debt based fiat systems. I have a litmus test I use when discussing global financial politics with friends - "What were the main factors you think lead to Ghaddafi's killing?"

It can be both. There is no control, or transparency AND we might mess up the environment more? Pass.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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post #4
post #2

Will the big banks, institutions and governments make a move against DeFi soon? Seems like it.

Of course, they don't want to lose their part of the pie.

They're not gonna lose their part of the pie by proposing all crypto services themselves, instead of seeing all that capital flee to exchanges

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

#43
post #13

The world bank responding to such a request shows how big of a thing Bitcoin has become. It also appears that the concerns are not strong, more wishy-washy comments that could be disputed or clarified eventually. Wonder what they say if/when more countries do inquiries and adopt Bitcoin.

> The world bank responding to such a request shows how big of a thing Bitcoin has become

My local bank would also respond to a request for $1 billion dollars to buy Bitcoin.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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post #6

>"While the government did approach us for assistance on Bitcoin, this is not something the World Bank can support given the environmental and transparency shortcomings," they added. Environmental as the #1 concern? Bitcoin's enegery:market-cap ratio - a proxy for energy vs. value to humans - is >300x better than an airline & 60x better than JP Morgan & 20x better than google's. https://twitter.com/Okcoin/status/1403…

The absolute figures are bitcoin uses about the equivalent of Sweden’s energy consumption every year. Renewable energy isn’t free and should be replacing legacy sources, not being used to do pretend work. Environmental is a huge factor.

Can you make me a list of real vs pretend work so I can base my ethical decisions on it?

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

#45
post #13

The world bank responding to such a request shows how big of a thing Bitcoin has become. It also appears that the concerns are not strong, more wishy-washy comments that could be disputed or clarified eventually. Wonder what they say if/when more countries do inquiries and adopt Bitcoin.

> The world bank responding to such a request shows how big of a thing Bitcoin has become. Does the World Bank get to choose which member requests it responds to? I would think they have an obligation to give every request at least a cursory evaluation.

It did respond, but it responded with a "no" (not unusual for a bank). There is no international right to obtain whatever assistance you want from the world bank.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

#46
post #33

We keep talking about how tech should be used to make a net positive change yet we allow this glorified linked list that has 0 real world benefits after a decade to get a pass because some man children run around promising it's the future.

I'm not sure which system you're referring to exactly.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

#47
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you comparing energy:market-cap ratio instead of something like energy:transaction-volume ratio for example? I'm sure if you compare Bitcoin to Visa on that metric instead, it'd look pretty bad for Bitcoin.

The value Bitcoin provides to humans is about more than the transactions. The value is primarily about security as a store of wealth. This is why I use market cap.

The value it provides is a Ponzi scheme for elites and lumpens to quickly make money, nothing else.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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post #19

They cite environmental and transparency concerns, but somehow I believe it's more about control and ensuring the continuation of the debt based fiat systems. I have a litmus test I use when discussing global financial politics with friends - "What were the main factors you think lead to Ghaddafi's killing?"

The debt based system will not go away if we ever move the entire economy to bitcoin (laughable as that idea is). You'll have fractional bitcoin reserve banking with absolutely no difference compared to today.

In fact, the fact that bitcoin has no on-chain notion of credit is a major limitation that relegates it to being digital gold, not a digital dollar.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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I'm very ignorant about Bitcoin, but given El Salvador's big problem with crime, doesn't adopting Bitcoin give the cartels an extremely easy way to launder their money?

Depends on how tech savvy they are. Bitcoin has a public ledger, so once you know who the owner is of a particular address, you can view all of their past transactions and all the addresses of those transactions, potentially exposing a lot of metadata of their activities

Coin mixers can make this much harder.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with your transparency point. I see that a lot of Layer 2 solutions like Lighting started which basically can make it nontransparent like Monero.

Lightning is anything but transparent. It requires trusted nodes to operate.

You don't need to trust LN nodes
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