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New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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I appreciate the immediate problem and I guess policy like this is better than nothing. But to me the cause of this is less of a lack of "rights" as it is a lack of competition in the market. I would much rather choose products that have a more open and repairable architecture rather than have additional regulation.

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That is largely Apple-specific, as most other OEMs use off the shelf chips. Even in that case though, the distribution doesn’t exist for many components to be available to individuals or repair shops, since the component makers only want to deal with their couple dozen big customers directly.

On that note, Rossmann is a curious character. He openly and variously despises Apple’s hardware choices and policies, yet to my memory, that’s his shop works on. Are the economics of repairing Apple products that strong or is the man is a true masochist?

He runs a shop that supports many employees and himself, so, yes, the economics obviously work in his favor. One doesn’t need to like the choices of a company to offer to service their products.

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It makes everything disposable. I’ve seen a few 200 dollar health devices that fail quickly because they use cheap cr 2032 batteries that can’t be accessed. I miss the days of clip in batteries. I still have a 2013 laptop like that.

But this would force your laptop to be a whole 1.8cm thick! Unthinkable!

You joke, but LG makes a Samsung makes a 15.6” laptop that weighs 2.6lbs, which is extremely practical. I’m planning on getting one. I wouldn’t be if it had the bulk and weight of a removable battery.

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Devils advocate: Why is hardware treated different than software? If I own a perpetual license for some type of software, should I be entitled to “repair” the software I own. (Note: I’m not including SaaS in this since your don’t own that)

I’m not sure I disagree, but e-waste maybe?

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is largely Apple-specific, as most other OEMs use off the shelf chips. Even in that case though, the distribution doesn’t exist for many components to be available to individuals or repair shops, since the component makers only want to deal with their couple dozen big customers directly.

On that note, Rossmann is a curious character. He openly and variously despises Apple’s hardware choices and policies, yet to my memory, that’s his shop works on. Are the economics of repairing Apple products that strong or is the man is a true masochist?

If my memory is correct, he explained that this was where most of the market was (especially on the neighborhood of NYC he lives in), and it was easier to fix a bunch of Apple models, rather than thousands of different Android brands/models.

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The cells in the packs can be replaced.

Really? Never thought of that, is that a DIY thing or would I need to take it someplace?

Just search for that model laptop battery on Amazon. You'll likely find a slew of Chinese replacement batteries.

See if there is a YouTube or iFixit tear down guide, take the bottom cover off, replace battery, put the cover back on.

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Amend the bill to include all consumer electronics manufacturers must provide replacement parts for all their new products for twenty years. The churn of slightly different pieces in next years models should fall off a cliff when warehouses need to get built to hold everything. Or something

20 years is a bit much IMO...5-10 tho, that sounds at least reasonable.

As long as it’s 5-10 years after the date the company last sold the device as new.

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amend the bill to include all consumer electronics manufacturers must provide replacement parts for all their new products for twenty years. The churn of slightly different pieces in next years models should fall off a cliff when warehouses need to get built to hold everything. Or something

20 years is a bit much IMO...5-10 tho, that sounds at least reasonable.

I disagree, five to ten years is far too short.

I have a couple of audio devices that are ~14 years old and working perfectly fine. If either of them broke then I'd want to repair them (unless of course the fault was fabulously catastrophic). Once upon a time even affordably priced equipment lasted way more than 5-10 years. Maybe it's a generational thing, due to my being on the wrong side of 50 :), but stuff used to be built to last for affordable money. Hell I'm still wearing the Seiko mechanical auto-wind watch I was given for my birthday in 1983, and it still (mostly) tells the right time and day.

Twenty years should be a minimum.

Re: New York Senate passes Right to Repair bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is largely Apple-specific, as most other OEMs use off the shelf chips. Even in that case though, the distribution doesn’t exist for many components to be available to individuals or repair shops, since the component makers only want to deal with their couple dozen big customers directly.

On that note, Rossmann is a curious character. He openly and variously despises Apple’s hardware choices and policies, yet to my memory, that’s his shop works on. Are the economics of repairing Apple products that strong or is the man is a true masochist?

Familiarity breeds contempt.

If you work with the greatest stuff in the world all day every day you'll be able to find a million reasons it sucks.

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